hale the bail
“If you built houses, poured concrete, sold doorknobs, had a roofing company, etc., you benefited from the housing boom. “
???
off track here i think
get those who benefitted
from the lot value bubble
and the credit-security hussle
not the housing construction boom
wack the developers that rode the bubble yes
like the mortgage originators security packagers raters and insureres
that fueled the bubble
and the one eyed regulators and midnight legislators
that let it happenwhen they didn't make it happen
but
contractors and builders ???? no way
we have equity because
those who play equity games
gain “return”
by leveraging off debt players
we only tolerate equity as a society
because it provides a class of players
that in times of crisis
play the involuntary role of risk buffer
there are better risk buffers folks
for credit flow systems
end the equity rip off game
ps
of course
even equity is a sucker play
relatively speaking
there's another deeper
more decisive rip off
the skim
from the passive equity players
by the sifted few insiders
and sifted few insiders
would exist in pure debt funds as well
——-
too big to fail
really has nothing to do with the problem
the total system wide equity versus the total potential losses
that's the problem
whether its in one big firm or
fairly evenly distributed in ten thousand little firms
the problem is the possibilty of inadequate equity
and thus lender losses
imagine if by an invisible hand
the equity in every firm would always be
exactly emough
to cover all potential losses to that firm
then lenders could and would lend to them
but would folks buy equity issues by thm ???
not if losses of unknow proportions
still hung over them
ask yourself this
if transparency is voluntary
as free private firms insist is their right
how is it in the interests of insiders
to obscure on their balance sheet
their real financial prospects and conditions
to throw
a partial light or if the odds favor
non timely revelations
why not throw even a boldly blatantly
false light
on conditions
how does a market
filled with a zillion
little firms
hit with a crsis
differ in consequences
that a market with only one big firm
if the little firms act like a school of fish
if all the toxic shit was in one or a few big firms ??
it would be easy
for a public authority
backed by the redit of the whole society
to intervene effectively
take it over
clean out the gunk
and move on
voila fred and fanny
but
if every firm of many has some unknown amount of gunk ???
to big to fail only means
the market might turn radioactive if the big firm fails
and all the others will face a panic day
of senseless reckoning
all at once
How ironic would it be if the unbridled push toward free market capitalism brought about … dictatorship via economic chaos “
” ironic ” ???
perhaps “lapidary”
gets to the core meaning of this knee jerk boiler plate
what ystem have we ben operating here these past 30 years
and who's called the shots ???
so now they want to keep calling em
ironic ???
hardly
that te play must get more force filled
more state induced
even more gun barrel ish
a surprise ???
given the reagan coup
the feeling of irony here
among whole people oriented commentators
is the irony
uncle ronnie ..pinochet with a hollywood rewrite
Posted by: paine | Link to comment | September 22, 2008 at 05:32 AM
paine says…
zero equity funds that pay a risk premium on their portfolio
that outghta be the model entity
to replace these hyper geared
exiguously equitized
high wire acts
btw
such gigantic freak shows
will spontaneous re emerge
if equity plays re enter the model
if the only arbitage rents that flow out of these
loans to loaners who loan to loaners who loan to …
that paasses back up the chain
“final net earnings “
like a bucket brigade with sieves for pails ….
i submit public equity stakes
will only get re privatized
as the game boards and the play re heat
hair grows back
so
not a hair cut a scalping
“a spineless elite class”
hardly
…
knzn
is like elmer fudd
love-able but mock-able
his reversal on the bail
too little too late
but then
none of us can stop this rip a dip now
its …..bipartisan
the swines rouge and lashes ???
” allyou about to be greater
public debt carriers
meet your upside reflection:
ass hole choiceless
rube equity stake holder “
Posted by: paine | Link to comment | September 22, 2008 at 07:21 AM
paine says…
“I’d urge Congress
to pause for a minute,
take a deep breath,
and try to seriously rework
the structure of the plan”
how now
brown cow ???
“Because financial institutions have too little capital relative to their debt, they haven’t been able or willing to provide the credit the economy needs”
brake this into markets
oh u public servents u
house mortgages
not originated
student loans reduced
small firms'
“working capital ” squeezed
and their receivables flow slowed
appliances not financed
buildings not constructed
etc etc
putting aside easily uncle countered
macro effective demand reductions
— and mapping out
a fairly precise distribution
among various markets —
what is a decent envelope estimate
of
go forward real economy credit flow insufficiency
and what is its spontaneous time line
why after a whole year of fidle diddle
why this sudden bee stunk jack ass
like gallop toward
massively over paying out of public funds
for all this stale synthetic debt junk ..no
beter
this gigantic glob of toxic debt gunk ???
putting this all
in one big hi fi
uncle belt way
yuka mountain
might be the final solution
but isn't all about
the price
my take
it oughta be a forced sale a commandeering
like holding this gunk is a violation of the law
force it to be removed from
its zillion spider holes
it oughta be treated like
an illegal hand gun law
but with no biteless
voluntary pay for turn plan
only a forced sale to uncle pronto
and at a savage basement price
or else….
yer all headed for the danbury laundry detail
Posted by: paine | Link to comment | September 22, 2008 at 07:50 AM
paine says…
“Krugman has this spot on “
rather :
off off damn spot
turbo
please for my whale belly white
celtic ears' sake
turn off the tin can
anglo-cisms
what's wrong with home growns like :
right on target mr k
or
bull's eye paul
or …..
dirk
adding uncle buffer prefered to the equity layer
doesn't force out the gunk
and while the gunk remains in hiding
the ultimo loaners
will continue to take pause
after all
what's enough bufferfirm by frm
is a function of how much gunk they're holding
if offering to sell uncle prefered
is on a voluntary basis
one assumes
firms will be
unlikely to offer till its too late
there's a massive covert hold back motive here
uncle must force the firm's hand
“okay feelin lucky today …bub
go ahead make my day bub
don't show me your gunk “
show me the gunk
show me the gunk
Posted by: paine | Link to comment
the dumbest qustion of all
is the best one
if its to be voluntary
at what price??
well not “spot “market price for sure
since if that were adequate
the firms would be selling
their holdings already
no they've driven the market below sellers price
so unless its forced on em
the price has to be part of
a short-mid term more profitable for the firm option
that might mean knowing the chimp like minds
of these tower titans
at least aggregate brake even
then again
when compared to what ??
bruce w
makes this valuation game seem so easy
nope
eggs must be broken
will it be
the rich guy private eggs
or us sucker bet geefs' public eggs
given the regime's revealed class preference
beyond a few scape goats
guess whos' eggs will be broken here
Posted by: paine | Link to comment | September 22, 2008 at 08:15 AM
paine says…
blissex
you play to fast a hand
with these two cards
solvency is as circumstantial as liquidity
systemic states alter both if somewhat
less obviously
in the case of solvency
insolvency like were wolfing
may require a full moon
“$1.8 Trillion? Oh. My. God!”
we have a national portfolio of house lot mortgages
valued at 11 trillion or so
getting away with a mere 15% write off
when lot values may crash by 5 trillion..
hey to me
that
smells like victory
—————————
“Since when are high house prices considered a good thing?”
when like gold prices
lot values are a store of wealth
…
“Congress would have to show a hell of a lot more backbone now than it did then”
right you are sir !!!!!
ryberg
at first u soar.1 -.4
but then you faulter .5
reclimb .6
but alas
then
your hobby horse farts .7
and
you flush peculiar .8
make a noble if klaghornian revanche .9
and arriving back at square one
ending with piquant twinkle
nice performance
…
“If you are going to socialize banking, you might as well cut out the middle man”
perfect pitch
…
“Expensive houses means that the cost of living is higher”
not if rents are not rising in tandem
the soaring lot bubble
left lease rates well behind
i think bob f
has the bull by the horn here
how much more adjustment is yet to happen ??
the house lot bubble burst
a year ago
how long will it ake and how much more is left to absorb
does the vast inverted v hierarchy
of synthetic securities
still face huge further devaluations
what more
if left to its own devices
is yet to happen
inside that hideous freak of a financial structure ???
have the towers all fallen ???
or will many more follow ????
maybe the frights are now
encouraged
by the wall street types
begging for a “refill”
at the public pump ????
my take….
nope
the fuckers are still sinking
and the prospect of uncle's pumps so far
ain't nearly enough
btw
we're goin down with em folks
“a mortgage purchasing federal entity could be set up to buy up the mortgages under these conditions. This would help dig out the banks who originated the loans, but would not bail out the speculators “
correcto
but its all abut hi fi here bob as u well know
curing eeble suffering is only a last resort expedient
if direct tower troll bail outs
aren't enough
recall
the dilemma
if it don't stop
the walk away threat might suddenly multiply
just how long how slowly and how far
are lot values going to fall
if say 30% of the housing stock
is owned
by folks with under water equity …
anything might trigger a walk way graze
like the dust bowl
farm abandonments of the 30's
handle this allwrong
and this time next year
McCainvilles might
start to pop up
like bavarian mushrooms
Posted by: paine | Link to comment | September 22, 2008 at 09:09 AM
paine says…
“This is likely to lead to a smaller financial sector “
oh great pundit
what in hell does this mean
specifically
smaller hi fi firm count
smaller total value of outstanding loans
society wide
portfolio value shrink
of bonds and equity
lower security trading velocity
lower hi fi sector share of national income
inquiring dip shits want to know
Posted by: paine | Link to comment | September 22, 2008 at 09:14 AM
paine says…
as to lot value bottom
the “natural” household income
to mortgage ratio (ie our proxy for
capitalized ground rent )
indicates
the long run trend ratio
is something not far from 50% below
this cycle's peak …
and we over shoot it to boot ….
Posted by: paine | Link to comment | September 22, 2008 at 09:20 AM
paine says…
bob and one other chap
are at opposite ends here
one wants a public equity buy in
and the other
a public mortgage buy up
shared good intentions are obviously
not enough
to settle on a plan
ken
if yellow legs like ick and his ilk
didn't exist
come the rev
after wackin'
the tower trolls themselves…
hell
if our blood lust
after decades of exploitation and oppression
remained unslaked
well…we'd be forced to shoot the innocent
“class neutrals”
instead of ick and his fellow members
of the kulack fools' reactionary posse
so god bless
ick and the rest of the hord of
talk radio listening midget
ever eager to lick
a rich man's ass ..as if they might get gold dust on their tongue not ….
Posted by js paine at 07:20 PM
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