btw

many including joe stiglisaurus lamb
have suggested the prc impose export taxes instead of revalue -ing the rmb

its not an altogether bad idea if you play low forex ball
and want to diddle with it some more
so the public purse not the private traders
grab the rent created by the artificially induced
over sized price gap

Posted by: paine | Link to comment | April 07, 2008 at 01:01 PM

paine says...
" attempting to control nature in the arrogant and short-sighted style we are accustomed to increases the odds that we and ours will be exposed to increasingly powerful perturbations with an increased probability of a major recycling event occurring sooner rather than later: "

the noah's ark tale
prolly had its best seller umph
back then
because of some high folly
flowing over
those early sumerian flood control projects eh ???

in my personal life
my none political life
i'm a post-humanist

a mooned over earth
staring out into space
like a death's head
appeals to the 12 year old
uber-nut in me

i just know in my 60 year old mind's gut

such a consummation devoutly to be wished
is in fact an impossibly quixotic dream
"I've decided to eat less beef as part of my drive to get in shape and lose a lot of weight"

------
the reality basis of pgl's comments are improving

good luck mate
i like pk playing global joseph

the level of social commodity storage
is an international policy decision
always opposed by powerful spec/producer type lobsters

---storage near points of risky consumption supply
not points of plentiful production -----

subs africa is a disgrace to the over producing north

btw the spirit of parson malthus
needn't poke
his pious prig of a snout
into this latest misery bout

rule one
its never mother nature's fault
never real demand growth never anything
but strictly policy driven dismality

swells

try to re think this...

population dynamics are trending in the zero net direction quite well in fact

no one has really declared a long range food emergency

this is not a global warming/climate change type problem

anymore then peak oil or peak water for that matter
are climate change type problems

triggering
the sublime and seductive
romance of catastrophe
ought to be save for "fictional flights "
not mixed in with the real news of the day

three winters in a row may be what we ourselves deserve
but mother nature is neither so strict or so simple
as to give us the alibi of "exceeding unseen limits "

nope we will continue to be
the sole authors
of our own misery

...
and by this i mean sole authors
as social beings

NOT mal adjusted natural beings

anne's

intercommunal failed state type wars
are indeed a proximate social cause
of local food shortages

but these wars themselves have a great game cause
just as they did when in what is now
new york the iroquois armed by the dutch
battled the hurons armed by the french

laff track primo line :

"We thought we could trick Mother Nature. But, we cannot"

its only
father time ..in the end ...
that seems never
to fall for our tricks dear soul
a blunt blind fact
as day follows day follows day
u must
ever more realize

but wonder of wonders
MN often proves indulgent

we hu-caps
get to win a few tricks
now and again
from the dealers
at her casino
just enough to keep it non infernal

"What is the carrying capacity of earth? "
certainly well beyond three times the present figure
and at any rate
probably well beyond our capacity to reach it

after all
reproducing is not the only fun in life

i suspect much else well within
the range of our desires would snare us first

reproduction will never be our doom

There is currently a price bubble in a number of commodities as a flight to perceived safety.
indeed
the dollar dive vis a vis yen pound euro
needs removal from the present surge
to isolate the "real" dynamic shifts

to wax pgl
at my own risk

i so commented at pk's blog trough
i never returned to see if
the nyt elves
allowed it to go up on ....santa's site

...

jodie

"Must every generation relearn economic lessons"

there's a once and for all time set
of iron law findings J ???

not sure we got the science down quite that pat just yet

"There's no limit on growth, production,
consumption, population, ..."

ken
it may have limits but no one has made a case
for the one way only crossing of the them

example ocean fishery collapse
fine but it can be regenerated

if the earth is to be our natural history museum
then i agree change is the enemy
but if the perpetual morphing ios kool with u
wehat's the cause for alarm
end of the world as we know it
means birth of a new world
we don't know
whether its a "brave" one
or not

"in tune with Nature as it relates to the second law of thermodynamics."

to think some law
we just discovered
less then two hundred years ago
and
that provides for very large counter trends
earth sized ones even
could bring u down Mme. C

anne
as u well know

in some very hip circle's
status eating culminates
in voluntary starvation
fasting is the highest form
of civilized consumption

thus can that society's
"spiritual caste"
reconnect " by material means "
with its huge
involuntarily deprived
social base

anne

heat death speculations ???

how victorian

my favorite

a careful calculation by a very big science head
that the earth had only enough radiant energy
to last about 40 million years
and thus the cutting edge geologists
and evolutionists
hadn't the necessary time frame
they needed to be correct
about mother earth's many non miraculous hows
alex

when i'm
busy
playing doctor strangelove in the age of brown out

don't bother me with mere details of proof

suffice it to say

"i.... mr president...have made
some crude
but i dare say informative....
calculations"

"racial memory ???"

a mystery meat cloud shrouded
version of
...culture ..i take it

...
"natural selection means they tend to regenerate inedible species"

jelly fish uber alles !!!

okay then
like the old joke goes

i went to see the doctor
i told him
"doc my left hand hurts when ever i move it"
doc"then don't move it "
application to here

"then don't eat sea food "

...
Bad example, I'm afraid

are you really afraid ...

my girl friend always sez she's hurt
when she really means angry

next time
when u catch me
in a spoon full of bull shit slinging
try
"i'm most happy
to inform u senior ass hole ..."
more serious answer
to my legion of sincere ... detractors

the planet is tending toward a vast park

ie we will need to stock restock fiddle and faddle

sorry virginia
but there 's no more ...virginia

hari :
indeed
and the necessary
selection pressures for evolution
come in many forms
not all are innocent of intentions
not all have wonderful outcomes
as far as results wise speaking

but hey
it's somethin' new at least
as they may have said
about gas warfare

btw
a resort
to quoting chopra??

what a cruel blow
"Sometimes, playing with a net really does improve the game."

now anne you go john donne on me

a clever figure

mother nature's laws
as a hu -cap
performance enhancing
" tennis net "
"it has a tendency to release energy...."

choprathink??
an energy release ??

hari i guess i get u

we use to call it
precisely that
when we farted in chapel
"think we should always keep a balance between our Malthusian framed environmental concerns and our liberal-radical politics."

liberal radical ??

moi ??

dale i guess you gave me
and my greying red guard pals
a hall pass there

the cod will return to the North Sea?

the oracle answers

the cod will return
but with three eyes and
a nice pair of hind feet
to walk apon the bottom of the sea

oh cartoon oracle
but will they taste good ???

nope ...unless you prepare em right

get a barn board
butter up the board thick and nice
put the neocod sans head
on the well buttered board
bake it all
in a pre heated oven at 350 degrees
for 45 minutes
take it out
throw away the cod
and eat the barn board

...
i rejoice
in the prospect of political revolution

"bollocks, reaching it isn't the problem, by definition we will never reach it. The problem is all the wars, starvation and suffering we have to hit to prevent us reaching it."

other than the gross britspracht exclam-a-tion
right there at the outset

i love this passage

hegel called history
the slaughter bench of ...progress

well he used some spooky word for it
not progress
but one about
as close to that benthamite banality
as a double domed dutcher kin git

we marxicocals call it
"ma clio's social cleavage struggle pro-pell-er "
or for short ......" the class screw "

well i'm all for standing parson's on their head !!!

Posted by: paine | Link to comment | April 07, 2008 at 10:48 AM

paine says...
tim b

given perhaps a still low ball forex
might not the former private sector's
export price rent capture
be here converted into tax revenue ????

i smell a right wing rat

big land holder/ wholesaler
opportunism
playing some pseudo pleb mischief
here
"the system is neither stable nor are trends generally favorable "

what is stable after all
creative destruction wise i mean

the circum solar orbits of the earth
may be beyond our frigging with at least for now

but not much else about mother earths "characteristics"

vertical ranges ?? iguana steaks ??...lizard meat ???

now that's green !!!!

yikes maybe those neocods
won't be so bad for dinner 2057 after all
i mean compare- ativity wise
tim
dear fellow
i hadn't a notion
you might think
the right wing rat line was aimed at you

its aimed at ....the right wing rats
conjecture -ally speaking

if any assumption crossed my mind about u iot was

'well this guy has some solid info
very interesting '

btw u bring up a very crucial point:

"Haven't you ever met anybody
who was really interested in economics,
and not just ideology? "

the "just" saves you from a no

i'll tell you this
i've prefered those who new where their politics came from and where it was leading them
and furthermore new thgere was no escape
from the ideological...not in economics
not even in the algebra

but mate lets not assume

the right or wrong side of class politics
is always easy to identify
or for that matter
always the be all of every dis-cus-sion
even if its
almost always still the end all

I thought this was supposed to be an economics forum.