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maxed over

"If you take away transfers

and merely force some switch

in time 

to market work,

you cannot possibly 

make these people 

or their children

 better off."

think of it as 

a state forced investment in job skills 

of course i'm being  funful here

but job doing is job learning

and i am a wpa /total employment guy

but the transfer levels for family care 

(once the

 domestic member

and  former care giver takes a job)

needed to be increased not decreased

with medicare for everyone 

(paid by a vat

not out of payroll or income) 

and 

of course free public day care facilities 

cradle to grave 

paid out of income



to cover both ends of dependent personhood's personhood

the ole fishin pole

income earning potential increased

by  force

pushing the households

 income seeker

past his/her

 hopeless sump

of job 

prospect myopia 

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on  ackerlof norms

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to me this 

norms gig

is a way to introduce rigidity 

where rigidity exists for deeper reasons 

these are fine and all well noticed b4 now 

how some ever

 i can imagine 

the uncle milty 

brigade's response... 

these are 

 a bunch of arbitary static maxims 

whereas humans can be convinced to modify their maxims 

eh??

don't

putting 

norms themselves into morph mode

learning

make em into 

 dynamic rationalization of norms ?????

which 

leads to a new stickiness only

its all still 

a dynamic argument 

 built on the quest

for the best 

and the rational

pinky | 01.08.07 - 3:31 pm | # 

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behold 

a response ....

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 pink -- I think it's simpler than that

 When you have conservative bourgeois academics 

who change methodology 

you're still going to get

 conservative bourgeois economics 

But still, change is good.

Miracle Max | Homepage | 01.08.07 - 3:56 pm | # 

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but not an exchange 

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are u saying max

"even half an ackerlof

is better then no ackerlof at all"???

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so on to  paygo ing 

the  fed  budget

fiscal politics

with a rigid ruler

and  

 an eclaiir spine  

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max u give too much away here

we have no prospect of a fiscal crisis 



unless this is pure window dressing

 a way to staunch cries of a return to

spend and tax democracy

with this prine pie approach

how can you give 

a  decent

working familly

 tax cut ????

the politics 

of the short run come first

if u want a new populist democratic party

u need tax class burden shifting 

take a load of homey

and 

put the load back  back on Him

the Man needs

 a  vicious tax hack  worse then

a monk needs 

 a good .....

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job one 

( recall dessert comes first in politics )



a nice bout of payroll tax relief 

do what clinton failed to do in 93 

and then

lost party control

of  the Hill 

over the next year

     as a result 

learn how to treat your base right

like the repubs do

and that means ....

tax brake em right out of the gate 



job two

remain calm

even  as deficits grow in the mid term 

and 

watch 

as the automatic rate restorations 

ride up in the backs 

of n the upper 5%

watch with folded arms 



as to indexing the atm...

thats childs play...

50 bills per annum

index the fucker and leave it to beaver 

please max....

lets not be penny wise and pound foolish

pinky | 01.08.07 - 3:44 pm | # 

"Cutting spending,

 especially entitlement spending, 

isn't easy either..."

who 'round here 

is suggesting that ????

if the deficit remains

within fairly wide parameters ......

the tax burden shift 

implemented in stages 

seems to me all that's needed 

btw read prsecotts latest stack of flap jacks

he's all for debt to national income ratios 

in the 200% plus range 

whoopeee

so long as 

 his 

"wonderland simplifications "

stil hold..... 

out 

there 

on the corner of wall street

 and penn ave

we  need to notice

 the "effective " tax rate on personal capital

vs the effective rate on 

"work/job" compensation 

that gives 

 a fuller measure of

the economic class tilt 



btw u all prolly know 

clinton besides nafta

in his first term

in his second term 

signed a nice "thank you all "

capital income tax cut

 for the ...donor class 

of both parties

in general

we all know what was up

 over the last 40 years or so

class wise....

the big corporate capholders 

struck back 

and as the owl only  flies at dusk

its now 

suddenly 

as the era ends 

their  flim flam 

is  seen as bad to the bone 

for ...all of us

them included

hey such thought 

is  

quickly becoming

conventional wise-dumb 

in short

intra donk 

the redelivery of

the dlc lineto a new cxongress 

 is doa

the duel is over 

burr  shot hamilton

already

 and hamilton is dying

pinky | 01.09.07 - 9:46 am | # 

then again

 

 maybe ham is on the croak 

but beware 

the sensible 

albert gallatins 

      among us 

now playing pop and fresh for the moment 

---------

barkinator hammers the opposition class

"I increasingly worry 

that Dems will get taken in 

with the idea 

that the tax to increase 

will be the fica

  which is completely unnecessary

 given the lack of any real problem 

with social security finances"

agree agree agree



we can always

 pop off the cap ....some day

and join to it 

a general sharpening

 of the progressivity

of the whole tax transfer retirement system

but at least consider this:

being as a the best defense 

is a pay out offense 

why not suggest

a paygo cut

right now 

 cut the rate on the paycheck side 

and  

blow up this bogus retirement system crisis 

once and for all

 by ending the fools gold of the trust fund surplus 

today

turn it around 

into a working familly tax brake 

start the class  burden shift

with a cut

leave the deficit to climb

till u can 

reasonably

demand

the congress

 let the bushco high end tax cuts expire...

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 the tax and transfer system has a great virtue

clarity of flow

both as to source and benefit 

if we're into paygos

lets chamber the fiscal budget 

example :

section 

the retirement  sub system of federal activity off

put it on paygo 

leave its  dedicated set of appropriate tax bases at break even levels 

ie

give a payroll tax cut 

for health set up another chamber with the programs all with dedicated bases

put them in balance 

etc etc thru 

excise pigou and sin taxes 

leave a wealth tax

for debt service 

financing the federal debt

really  ought to come out of a wealth tax 

it being there 

only as a result 

of foreign wars 

and  crusades

plus reaganian

"investment incentives"



surely

 the homeland security and global security budgets 

each also needs to be sent in search of appropriate tax base

here i'm open to suggestions

notice they both

 need to be locked and loaded together

since 

they both exist 

not just

to compliment

 each other 

but because 

the one

by the actions

it funds

  provokes 

the world so much

 we now need 

the other



pinky | 01.09.07 - 10:36 am | # 

yes mable 

we need both 

a earned tax credit 

and an indexed min wage

that are tied together 

ie 

job income credits 

that phase out rationally

as a wage subsidy to low income households 

to  reward  toil 

and make jobbing a habit 

btw 

we don't need a subsidy 

 to the payer as nobel phelps touts

yes 

the min needs an indexation not a one off staged lift

but 

tie it to the median wage rate 

not inflation

and 

at the highest ratio 

it reached 

in the post war era

lets get back to that

 keep us  there 

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these are not only very distinct tools

they serve different ends

the sub thru a eitc is for low income households

not low sj kill workers 

the min wage 

is for a ceiling  on exploitation

the consequent 

increased pri sec job gap ???

close it with a national wpa 

any citizen 

in america

over 16

 should be able to find a near by min wage job 

inside

 a 5 day  search 

of course what we'er after is justice

a fair wage for all

one that at least

puts 

 a roof over exploitation 

ie

a floor under wages 

now of course 

a roof over job hours

 would be  

 another kind of

 roof over exploitation

and a better one too

better

then a min max wage

because an hoursa  ceiling or  low

super premium rate zone 

 would force up hourly rates spontaneously 

up and down the full wage rate system 

and reward 

more handsomely labor roductivity enhancing 

innovations 

 directly 

at all rate levels 



btw 

one has to assume

 maxed up  wage  min

will 

cause

the wage rate structure 

to  compress

some  

there is a 

spontaneous 

wage rate roof 

up there already

or

 at least a rubber topper with low elasticity

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dale:

"decommodify labor 

by any means available"

that's 

"labor...power"

u mean of course dale right ????

nice slogan

runs counter to "new look " unionism 

andy stern style 

 since mr purple's 

 call is really

to recreate as big a hunk of  the job market

as a generalized

" hyper commdification"

zone

where labor power 

is bought by 

the job hour

" metered like a utility"

 and "rated

 by  a monopoly" 

 power industry 

thinking applied 

to  people

 

ironic since

the opposite as you suggest

de commodification 

is prolly what unions  

are all about 

and 

certainly what they're best at

(besides 

sucking off dues 

and ignoring their memberships) 



oh dale 

while yer up roaring

why not call for an end to

" exploitation a la mode de trump "

ie extracting greater effort

by 

the conditional logic

of 

"if not more

 then....yer fired "

the notion that this  rigidity

is by its nature

a dysfunctional 

rigidity

depends which class angle you look from



-------

b ware

b webb

"Class warfare is on"

indeed 

the ivy tower poser...

how can we get this 

to look like 

the burden can't ultimately be shifted around 

an iron law of class tax shares 

temp rate changes and shifts

may create class tax incresaes 

and decreases 

but in the long run 

when we all meet 

our  steady states

all

is but

 past thru 

 

as with 

artificial wage mins ....

that ead to job class 

redistribution not a larger share

like wise 

with class taxes 

burdens can not be shifted 

the shapes  and sizes of sectors 

can

be changed

 but once the 

market system settles into its stride again

once the pond settles back

to walden in summer like conditions 

we have only 

the dead weight loss to remind us of our strivings 

dead weight loss everywhere 

we would have been better off staying where we were 

we got nothing 

other then ....



this god damn

 dead weight loss 

and all the useless short run turbulence 

to get there 

moral 

no burden is worse then the senseless unfelt burden 

of

 dead weight loss

ask the faculty at chicago university 

of course

they just 

had 

some sad

" emeritus "

dead weight gain

js paine | 01.10.07 -

wyden's plan ?????

rahmbo ??????

both guys are into

rubinite turkey jerks max 

the toe dancer did a spell in hi fi

after playing zionic tail back for the clinton single wing formation

besides 

like flatter is beautiful

to who ??????





this is a half loaf softener 

say it gets off the ground...

watch the flat top part

pin 

the fair maiden part 

to the door matt

in conference 

in two shakes of a rubes tail 

this comprehensive package

will be unpacked

and

looped up like an irish alderman on saturday nite

up the jobbled klass's wawazingee 

is where this is headed

and it 'll shit itself back out

still flat on top

js paine | 01.10.07 

btw just to show how un nice i am.....

the child credit stinks it rewards parents 

not helps kids 

free 8 hour daycare from zero thru four

that's a real help 

love kids

non parboiled ????

help em directly

and oh.....

pay their jobless parent to attend daycare with em

Posted by js paine at January 10, 2007 04:45 PM

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