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January 29, 2005peter diamond
this is a trick sleeve original
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some lilly livered
stuff
on ssi "reform"
by an old timer
who made his professional bones
building
various
intergenerational toy models
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facts in and out :
"Life expectancy
at age 65
has risen by four years
for men
and five years
for women since 1940"
-----------fine
so far
but ....
left out here
the real embedded
assumption
going forward
faster slower what ?
75 years from now ...
why caution?
seriously off
prior estimates
fact
the actual longevity
growth rate
in amerika
has slowed dramatically
so much so
uncle's actuaries
in the mid 80's
signifigantly
over estimated
todays longevity
yup
even now
the "how long" diff
has proved
to have
added fuel
back then
to the first
false crisis fears
so iz this at least in part
more of the same ?
built in here toois there
a preposturous longevity
to " exacerbate exacerbate"
aahhh indeed
the law
of the righteous demagogue -----------------
fact :
" Between 1983 and 2002,
the percent of aggregate earnings
above the maximum taxable level
ncreased from 10 to 15."
--------------------hot stuff
my estimate if uncle
pops off the cap
u get an instantaneous
base increase
of 900 bills
and 900x12.5=
over 100 new bills
to pour into
the" as we go" pot----------------
"Furthermore,
the extent to which people
with higher earnings and more education
tend to live longer
than those with lower earnings
and less education has also increased."
------------- a widening gap
wow
okay
so the benefit stream
has a wealth up-tilt
then re tilt the pay in too -----------
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the legacy debt:
fact :
" The benefits paid
to almost all
current and past cohorts
of beneficiaries
exceeded
what could have been financed
with the revenue
they contributed,
including interest"
--------- well
a pay as u go system
has no "perfect reason"
to view itself against this standard
talk
about conversion rate here
and a theory of how
you measure
real inter- cohort burdens
sure the fucker
gets complicated
but
well...read on
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"This imposes a "legacy debt"
on the Social Security system. "
---------- legacy debt
get use to this concept
its the good burger
klass- rip
term of art---------
"there's a legacy debt
if earlier cohorts
in a reirement system
unless they
received only
the benefits
that could be financed
by their contributions plus interest"
if that were the system:
" the trust fund's assets
would be much greater today."
----in other words
if the NEW deal
FDR GAVE US
wasn't as it iz
"pay as u go"
but instead
a compulsory pay in
mutual fund
where u're pay in
bought u individual shares
that apon retirementu cashed out
and bought an annuity
you'd have got out less
and the funds present value would be greater
by the way
how ya like the idea
of a mutual fund
stuffed full of t bonds ?---------------
"If those expanded assets existed,
they would be earning interest
that could contribute to benefits. "
------------- interesting
two possible path comparison
brings out ponzi potential of pay as u go
once pay out begins
only requirement
to perpetuate
the pay in cohorts pay in
has
to keep growing
at least as fast as
the pay out cohorts pay out
see
the looming
old cohort v young cohort
steam boat race here
notice
thiz prick
"pete "
iz slippin uz
selected comments only ---------------
"A reasonable estimate
of the program's legacy
that needs to be financed
by those younger than 55 years old
is $11.5 trillion."
---gad zoockz
attention bushwahzee
new angle of approach here for ya...
unlike yer gibber
thiz number
iz already larger
then the whole economy
got one that today
looks any bigger ?
i doubt it
put this fucker
in some
a fine hellish
patsy generation
bomb throwers hands and ......
-------------
" the term crystallizes
the need to allocate the cost
of the assets
that are not there
across future cohorts "
-----------man re-read that
"assets that are not there"--------------
" In particular,
relative to a world
in which the legacy debt
didn't exist,
future generations
will have to bear
some combination
of higher taxes
and lower beneefits "
------------- boooooom -------------------------------
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enter the doc....
"A Balanced Reform Plan
Our plan has three components,
each of which addresses
one of the factors
listed above
that contribute
to the long-term deficit "
"Many observers have recognized
that it makes sense
to adjust Social Security automatically
for the effects
of increased life expectancy."
--------- why ?
cause job time max
is hiding behind
all the big boy solutions
trade off?
raise the rate
so the longer retirements are supported
by the then
employed wagery
like atlas hefting
up a bigger earth
"just work harder guyz"-------
" we propose gradually raising
the maximum taxable earnings base
until the share of earnings
that is above the base—
slowly declines until,
in 2063,
it is returned
to roughly halfway
between its current level
and its level in 1983."
---------- no no
go all the way
besides if if not
why just split the diff ?
shit
the devil steals ten bucks
from ya
so what do you do?
take five back
and call yourselves even ?----------------
Second, to make Social Security
somewhat more progressive,
and thereby offset
the effects of disproportionately
rapid gains in life expectancy
among higher earners,
we propose a benefit reduction
that affects only relatively high earners.
--------- super principle guy
pete i sure kin kinda love dis bit -------------------
" Currently, about 15 percent
of workers newly eligible
for Social Security benefits
have sufficiently high earnings
that a portion of those earnings
falls in the highest tier
of the Social Security benefit formula.
Our benefit adjustment
for income inequality
includes a gradual reduction
in that highest tier
of the benefit formula."
----------- lets move on this one gang
top 15% get their shortz tightened -------------
" to distribute the burden
more fairly,
stabilize the ratio
of the legacy debt
to taxable payroll
from one generation
to the next "
------------------ here it fuckin come
ham string junction -----------------
analogy:
" a sensible goal
for the federal budget
is to stabilize
the ratio
of public debt
to the economy"
----------- oh really ?
thats a flat tax for the generations
what about the progressive principle
we use for household incomes?
is that unfair non sense ?
how about taxation without representation then
now theres a wickedly sound precept
our nation cherishes -----------
" we would impose a legacy tax
on earnings above the maximum taxable earnings base,
thereby ensuring that very high earners
contribute to financing the legacy debt
in proportion to their full earnings.
The legacy tax above
the base
would start at 3.0 percent
and increase "
" we would impose a universal legacy charge
on future workers and beneficiaries,
roughly half as a benefit reduction
for all beneficiaries becoming eligible
in or after 2023,
and the rest
as a very modest increase
in the payroll tax
from 2023 onward.
We start these changes
after the last of the changes
legislated in 1983 has taken effect.
This universal legacy charge
would gradually increase
over time to help stabilize
the ratio of the legacy debt
to taxable payroll.
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the rest of this beasty boy
to be plowed thru later......
This approach to financing
the legacy debt
reflects a reasonable balance
between current and distant generations,
between lower earners and higher earners,
and between workers
who are currently covered
by the program
and workers who are not.
It is meant to keep
the full cost of servicing
the legacy debt
from simply being pushed further
into the future
for our children and grandchildren
to pay.
As an alternative
to some of our proposals
for benefit reductions
or revenue increases,
policymakers could dedicate
revenue from another specific source
to Social Security.
For example, the estate tax
could be reformed
rather than eliminated entirely,
and
some or all of that revenue
could be dedicated
to Social Security.
---------------love this
take the rich guys treasure
and use it to support retired workers -----------------
unexpected inflation rip ?
Currently, there is no protection
against unexpectedly high inflation
in the years between ages 60 and 62.
For example
a repeat of the inflation rates
of 1980 and 1981 (14.3 percent and 11.2 percent)
would reduce the real benefits
for a cohort by almost 25 percent.
Extending indexing in a no-cost fashion
protects against this risk.
bene cut ?
the 1983 reform
reduced benefits
by about ten percent
for those 25 years old
at the time of the reform,
.
Individual Accounts?
" recent individual account plans
typically do not provide
genuine funding
instead, they simply assume
that money will be provided
from the rest of the budget.
Despite growing concerns
about the magnitude
of the budget deficit"
-------- no the borrowing
power of the general social budget out of the trust funds will be scotched
thats the immediate objective
of these wally world scams
generate a deeper federal fiscal crisis
so the meat axe
can be taken to the social budget ---------------
" Without real funding,
individual accounts
do not accomplish anything
for the economy."
-------------odd passage
"real funding"
must mean ripped by taxation
out of funds headed toward household consumption ------------
"magic asterisk"
approach:
simply assuming
that trillions of dollars
will be provided
from the rest of the budget
despite the nation's
substantial fiscal gap
puts
the future
of Social Security
itself at risk.
if payroll-tax revenue
is taken
from Social Security
to fund private accounts
and no alternative funds
are provided
to pay beneficiaries
this
creates
grave new risks
for workers and retirees.
--------- but of course
isn't that
wall streets
" final solution" anyway pete ?------------------
Peter A. Diamond
is
an Institute Professor at MIT.
Posted by herb jr. jr. at January 29, 2005 04:38 PM
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