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October 20, 2004raise hell at the point of profitheres two do good hachademics with a message on target ===========
piven and cloward
results of reseach
on movements and social change
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In every case we examined
movements found their
concerns fell on deaf ears
until they directly
disrupted 'business as usual'
either in government
or
business operations
then and only then
did they made significant
gains
----- get it point of profit
pinch em where it hurts fastest and mostest-----
"When unemployed workers
sat in at relief
offices
local officials somehow found
the money to pay them benefits"
"when movement participants
created chaos on the local level
officials noticed at
the state and federal levels
and began to make concessions "
"contrary to conventional wisdom
movements lost ground quickly
as soon as they changed
their methods
to more acceptable means
to achieve their ends
negotiating through representatives
working with candidates
helping them get elected
lobbying and so on "
---- great so far butfuck
here comes the zoinger-----
"At times when voting
was much more restricted
a direct challenge to authority
could easily result in massacre,
lynching or other violent
responses "
------ be afraid be awefully afraid -----------
"But when poor and working class people
have "the vote"
-------what happened to get the vote ---------------
they must mobilize around their concerns
and turn out to vote
governments were much
more responsive to social movements
that vote "
-- what the fuck is this
they turn out and their two facer
candidate of choice
gets in instead of gets whipped...
ok
and then he what ? goes along with some "reforms"
as long as the hell raisers
keep
his left foot to the fire
by point of profit bonfires ?
if so then
here's my query
aren't
cause and coincidence
conflated here
a rascally uppity
prole- pleb
movement
powerful enough
to turn an election around
and then "enforce " promises
by direct actions
prolly succeeded
by direct action alone
i say
movements that succeed
would succeed under any gov form
even a dictator
would cave
to a movement "objectively"
able to wring out the changes
that take the above form
in a state where
the geeps face
an electoral road
restrained
corporate klass
even if the forms
of struggle
would need profound motification
where popular rights type rules
were thrown out the window
and club rules
were firmly
in the drivers seat
if by not voting
they let the other ass hole get in
what ?
he'll weather their direct actions
and just crack down ?
of course he will
escalation ?
maybe
movement strength
is measured by persistence
does this petty good guy argument
boil it down
to gettin the proper sell out elected?
of the two types of politicians
elect
the one's who can't sell out
cause they need the hell raisers
to stop raisin hell
or they won't get re elected
and defeat all others
including
the politicians who promise
to crack down
cause they don't want
the hell raiser vote
to get elected in the first place
the true blue sell outs
who need the hellers vote to get elected
but
who figure or find out
they can get re elected
either
no matter what the fuck
the hell raisers do
or
because they plan on
turning on
the hell raisers
once they are elected
or or or
any which way here
i see not causation
but
i do smell tautology ----
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Posted by herb jr. jr. at October 20, 2004 06:24 PM
Comments
jesus herb what u been smokin' ? please spare uz the monkey puzzles just lay it down ballot boxers fuck the polzis polka kick the fuckin boss man Here's my mantra: ORGANIZATION. It ain't a stunt, it ain't setting up an inside guy, and it ain't a fortuitous convergence of simultaneous self-interested acts. "Direct action," voting, individual petitioning of any kind are all lonely minutiae on the scale of eating a balanced diet and frequenting the confessional. Before you can get anything really done, you've gotta build a machine that can do the job. A union is more than a thousand workers acting in parallel; a nation is more than a hundred million citizens flicking a lever on the same day. An organization is a shared construction that does the kinds of jobs and seeks the kinds of futures that can't be conceived in single-serving portions. The all important + in Alpha 60's growled universal equation. Posted by: mol tse on October 23, 2004 03:30 AMHEY THE LOWEST FORM OF DR IS A SPONTANEOUS RIOT LETS "SELF " ORG ON ONE END CADRE CELLS MUST FORM BUT THATS THE STREETS I been trying to wrap my what, exactly, you gonna get done by talkin? isn't it just as good to have Post a comment
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