oh what makes me do this ... i'm as bad as pinky...sometmes =============================== famous blogger writes: "as for what would lead to more investment in US manufacturing (or service exports) and less in housing, I tend to believe ...... changes in relative prices are the most important variable" i read that and i can't just click off ... i must comment " i assume u mean international prices ie exchange rate sensitive prices hence the cry " blow out the peg " but if we are really sitting inside of a system that is largely a stack of more or less informal and un co ordinated national sector by sector international trade rationing systems best noticed today if indeed we are in one by what we occidentals call asian export restraints this proposed relative price fix of yours to rebalance payment flows ultimately by stimulating the US to re industrialize may prove very very very slow indeed like the 33-40 new deal job recovery ultimately a success ...after a fashion but not on its own humane civilian terms and not by its own dreamed of civilian means aren't we seeing a tip of this non effect of price changes emerging today in the sino-euro nexus if as i suspect bilateral trade is left to the "market" contrary to expectations the relative value of the yuan and prc exports to the euro zone will both continue to rise in nasty tandem and here's my extremest point : perhaps even rise at very close to the same rate as if the yuan hadn't appreciated vis a vis the euro at alllllll moral of the tale there are hands pulling strings here the global trade system i solemnly believe still runs effectively thanx to its understated if not unstated ration system and its the legacy of this systems prior interventions ie its residual "distortions" both as to prices and quanities that largely govern the play even in good times when all seems to be moving towards greater balance then come the next local crunch one sees the flash of the strings as they get jerked so times the puppeteers even go public ( sector by sector this happens pretty regularly today its textiles yesterday steel tomorrow sugar or auto parts ) so bingo nice math models using flexible price responses and as a consequence the full reign of relative prices as the basis of decisions gets swept aside and the rations system with all its personality strides forth to the plate and does what?? to what and to who ??? most importantly for who ?? well things could be worsew couldn't they wage structures could be boneless wonders and jobs spread wide and thin as puddles or is that what we have any way whatever they decide for us this we know its all the blessings this system offers to the rioters of paris france and the woikahs of toledo ohio ----------------------- notice flexible here has no up it means lowerable or removable also the pound can flex the mark... well its gone isn't it notice the nordics and saxons who stayed out of the procrustean bed called the euro have compared quite well with their bedded brethern ----------- my Rx for the franco german heart of old europe bust the euro by violating the fiscal deficit caps make work jobs if necessary bond ratings??? all go italian force the frost giants at the ECB to snap like saplings remember "i'm sparticus " i love mister hugh he's smart thoughtful polite but i can't hear his hands wringing and as to his policy reommendations they are sensible indeed so much so he reminds me of ramsey macdonald a man with todays fears but yesterdays solutions ----------------------------------------- bradspeak: " the strong pound. UK MNCs use their current strong pounds to invest elsewhere where other reasources are cheap ... " right on brother !!!! capital export that's how you get a gnp way larger then gdp "flexibility need not be a euphisism for reducing wages -- " ah yes but dear sir out there in factland show where it t'ain't "it can generate a process where workers shift from a low productivity to a high productivity sector (china, ag to industry)" generate a process indeed where high wage jobs disolve here in the US of A and re appear in china as jobs which would seem vry very low paid here but even so strictly speaking this not what is now called on the bizz wizz pages wage/job flex is it ??? yes of course in the prc there are no barriers to a healthy flowof toilers out of the agi peon plot allotments and into the ad hoc fringeless urban contract jobbery but why would there be ??? generally and coherently barriers are erected to protect wages and jobs and always in a threatened existing high wage sector like us public works contracts requiring payment of the sky high "prevailing " union wage rates "labor released by technology moves into other sectors" and to lower wages " that can lead to higher aggregate wages". sly fudge indeed flexible labor forces are ones which " exchange " more if worse paying futuretotal job hours for less better paying present total jobs hours and yes the aggregate wage fund may well rise if "the elasticity " nets out positive now isn't this the lovely shadow play we've witnessed for 30 years here in america ???? de industrializing while simultaneously commercializing bigger and bigger chunks of what was once intra- household service production ???? fast food service for home cooked kid and elder day care for mom's domestic tlc etc etc etc upshot: a higher participation rate and a bottom job majority going at best 30 years side ways errrrr... rate wise that is ------------------------------------------- beautiful post brad "Why couldn't China use public funds to recapitalize its banks, and rather than raise taxes to pay for the higher (on budget) interest bill, instead run a larger fiscal deficit? And why is it more important for China to take steps to make its labor markets more flexible rather than develop a stronger system of social insurance to reduce precautionary savings? It seems to me that one of China's problems is that it got rid of the social insurance provided by the old iron ricebowl state -owned firms without putting much of a new system in place ... " for what a nut'z endorsement is worth to u I agree totally short run the prc gubmint watch word should be " if the people wanna save so gd much we better borrow just as gd much " long run build a great wage based tax and transfer system like we built a great canal and a great wall and for very similar reasons broader safety and prosperity ------------------------------------------------ question : doesn't the imf always cry "fiscal restraint" ? its the sound of the prudent banker cuckoo --------------------------------------------------------Posted by lady eve at November 9, 2005 10:01 AM
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