frisco fed top gal sez what? we worry ? naaaaaaah question: what " lies of the mind " lurk behind this bubble smile ? ============================ here's her tale of decline "First, there would be an effect on consumers’ wealth With housing wealth nearing $18 trillion today such a drop in house prices would extinguish about $4½ trillion of household wealth" "Standard estimates suggest that for each dollar of wealth lost, households tend to cut back on spending by around 3½ cents" "This amounts to a decrease in consumer spending of about 1¼ percent of GDP" " To get some perspective on how big the effect would be, it’s worth comparing it with the stock market decline that began in early 2000. In that episode, the extinction of wealth was much greater —stock market wealth fell by $8½ trillion from March 2000 to the end of 2002". "This suggests that if house prices were to drop by 25 percent, the impact on the economy might be about half what it was when the stock market turned down a few years ago" ------------ see analysis below ------------------- "Wealth effects—positive or negative— tend to affect spending with fairly long lags." " So, a drop in house prices probably would lead to a gradual cutback in spending, giving the Fed time to respond by lowering short-term interest rates and keeping the economy steady" "Now let’s complicate things. Suppose house prices started falling because bond and mortgage interest rates started rising " "say, because the risk premium in bonds rose due to concerns about federal budget deficits or other factors." " Then we’d have the cutback in spending because of the wealth effect," plus "there’d likely be further spending cutbacks, as borrowing costs for households rose." --------- -- ----ie the income effect ---------------------- Furthermore, "a rise in long-term rates would have effects beyond just households— it also would dampen business investment in capital goods through a higher cost of capital." -----------interest rates effecting investment directly? none sense thrown in to feed the ignorant ----------------- "How manageable would this scenario be? " "Like the wealth effect, these added interest-rate effects operate with a lag, so, again, there probably would be time for monetary policy to respond by lowering short-term interest rates" ------- but what if other considerations over rode the rate drop ???------------- " This obviously would not be a “slam dunk,” " "but in many circumstances it would seem manageable" -------- see her language slipping and sliding here ??? "no slam dunk" but " in many circs .." total loop holery --------------- "A matter of more concern is whether this scenario would lead to financial disruptions that could cause spending to slow sharply and quickly" ------ leap of line here now she's answering the unststed alternative previously ruled out of a big fast drop in lot vales 'and a sudden quake in the mortgage market ----------------- " One issue that receives a lot of attention is the increasing use of potentially riskier types of loans like variable rate and interest-only loans that may make borrowers and lenders vulnerable to a fall in house prices or increase in interest rates" " I believe that the odds of widespread financial disruption on this count are fairly slim, although, clearly, some borrowers are vulnerable." ----------- system secure but losers beware ------------ "First, the shift to these new instruments appears relatively modest overall" ------------ really ? not the buzz we hear ------------------- "Second, the equity cushions available to both borrowers and lenders still seem, on average, to be pretty substantial." ---------- very deceptive where's the cushionunder all the wrong asses i'd say ----------- one hand in ice one on fire? average...just right --------------- " This is evident in looking at loan-to-value ratios, which have fallen, on average, as home valuations have risen faster than mortgage debt." --------and what happens when house values fall ... home equity loans go zoink first home sales tank etc etc as credit availibility vanishes --------------------- " In addition, most financial institutions enjoy comfortable capital positions, so they’re better able to weather any problems with their mortgage portfolios" ------- "better able " bad faith slip showing here '89 's shadow ---------------- " Finally, some of the risk associated with mortgages has been transferred from banks to investors" " banks have sold off securitized bundles of mortgage debt investors may be in a better position to handle the associated risk" ----------- idea here investers are diversified into other types of investments and the whack is diluted by being spread far and wide but what if these pokes stop buying new issues.... don't the circus organ go silent ? ------------ ---------------- "undoubtedly there would be some fallout from a substantial drop in house prices" -----but shit ....---------- " the financial system and consumers appear to be in reasonably good shape to handle the situation" --------- pretty damn breezy eh ? ------ -------------- big flaws? well the central analogy between stock bubbles and house lot bubbles one word here distribution as in of ownership stocks vs lots big shots d household spending level is not much tied to their portfolio's ups and downs and to the real point its the debt burden of the lot deals that is totally unlike the stock set up at least since clinton got blown by that foxy weight watcher borrowing against stocks for household spending has been a silly dwarf next to lot colateralized borrowingss cut that off and ..... see the methodical flaw here ? un dissected by our frisco chick's wealth effect doodling credit constrained consumers ie lots and lots of lot holders have a hugely higher "wealth effect" propensity to spend then the big shot stockholder so the dampening effect of a fall in creditworthiness on household spending would be massively greater then say 401k declines 401 k loses only scare regular folks not croak em flaw: the next biggest investment by corporations was the real bug a boo in the last recesssion obviously so why confuse that episode with the ....next one when stocks in regular folks 401k's tanked last time their house lots started rising in value like pegasus after a wicked shit whats to off set this lot drop ????? okay so i could go on here u all get the flavor ------------------------ sum up stocks vs lots generalized wealth effects on spending conflate the two sources obviously lots have a far bigger punch both up and down so using rule of thumb averages like above x cents on the dollar is mostly bull shit ---------------- so why is she so smug ? maybe cause her e corporate backers want wage households to get squeezed maybe squoozen jobsters perform better on the job and hey isn't on the job the place where their surplus value gets extracted ? if household spending goes into the dumpster cause lot value drops whack availible co lateral and there just ain't any more to borrow against and then small potatos' type interest pay outs keep goin up too .... hey no matter how the fuckers juggle the numbers the 2001 stock recesssion and the 20xx house lot recession will not look anymore alike then laurel looked like hardy next time i predict the popular misery quotient will rise more like say during the inflation strangling volker - carter fuckle buck and as you may remember that led to worse yet reagan's emotional " rescue "Posted by pinky at August 25, 2005 09:37 AM
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