eve:
back in the late
70's
when i was
contract teaching
at columbia
bob mundell joined
the faculty
bob was soft as a soaking peach
by then
but .....
==========================
once
when i'd said
'but u're
assuming something unreal bob
u're assuming
a closed system "
he reminded me
through a murbly grin
" but eve ....
there is a real closed system...
the world "
too bad
not enough of uz
spend 16/7 pondering that tid bit
take old krug....the other day
mired in a trifeca of points
over china's re-val :
he claims a rising yuan
" could be the start of a process
that will turn the world economy
upside down
- or, more accurately,
right side up"
------- what ?
we bin flyin with our crack up...
he explains .... -----------
"That is, the free ride
China has been giving America
in which the world's richest economy
has been getting cheap loans
from a country that is dynamic
but still quite poor
may be coming to an end"
------- so thats wrong side up?
oh really ?
answer me this of jb clarkheimer
then who oughta be
the global buyer
of last resort
in a right side up system?
who should fill
the global effective demand gap ?
the euro's ?
a bundle of low credit third raters ?
or have you forgotten
the whole system may be better off
if it lends to uncle and he spends what they lend
or better he buys first
"put it on my
imperial credit card "
and as to a surplus trader lending
back to the deficit traders
well thats how you keep running a surplus
rich or poor ask the nips
worked pretty good for them
over the years ......
he goes on ---------------
" It's
---(the rightness or wrongness
of the global system )----
all about which way the capital is flowing"
----- he pontificates ....
with out splitting the capital into
private nvestments in real
foreign things
like production plants or
oil drillings
and portfolio purchases
of paper entitlements
and up to here
he does even mention
public vs private paper buying ----------
"Capital usually flows
from mature
developed economies
to less-developed economies
on their way up"
only a few years ago .....
" before the world financial crisis
of 1997-1998
capital movements
seemed to fit
the historic pattern
as funds flowed
from Japan and Western nations
to "emerging markets"
in Asia and Latin America"
---------and it still does
if one is talking aboutthe right capital
real private productive nvestment capital -------
"But these days
things are running in reverse:
capital is flowing
out of emerging markets
especially China
and into the United States"
------which if that flow is larger only means
the value of
the present
global systems macro effective demand
imperial deficit
exceed the systems directtransnational investments
does it seem
intuitively surprising
that these two capital flows
would run in opposing directions
one up while the other is down
not if you're at least a keynesian ....------------
"This uphill flow
isn't the result
of private-sector decisions;
it's the result of official policy"
------ ahhh one distinction is
now mentioned
the other is implied
private sector flows
of direct investment
remain"right "
its the gub flubbers
trans oceanic paper asset
shuffles
that make the aggregate
have a wrong net flow direction
to
our st pauli girl --------
---- but now he s
jumps to a why ? -------------
------and ho ho ho
he knows why ...------
"To keep China's currency
from rising
the Chinese government
has been buying up
huge quantities
of dollars
and investing
the proceeds in U.S. bonds"
------- to maintain their competitive
trading edge globally
to increase their foreign market
penetration
is this....irrational ? ------------
"One way to grasp
how weird this policy is
would be to think about
what a comparable policy
would look like
in the United States
scaled up to match
the size of our economy"
------- no no no no
of course that
makes the han -ers
policy seem crazy
by showing what
it would look like
if we did it
problem:
china's global market position
is the exact opposite
of UNCLE'S
IMPERIAL THRONE position ----------
SO SAYING
"It's as if last year
the U.S. government
invested $1 trillion of taxpayers' money
in low-interest Japanese bonds
and this year looks set
to invest an additional $1.5 trillion
the same way "
IS PURE miss leading mind fucking
BALDERDASH...-------
"Some economists think
there is a deep rationale
for this seemingly perverse policy"
---yes and you just gave it
a low yuan means sharp foreign
market penetration
and sharp domestic investment penetration
first world surplus capital
flows in to han ville
to build
domestic plants harbors etc etc etc
low yuan means nice
opportunities
for foreign private capitalist investors --------
" I think it's something
the Chinese government
stumbled into
as it tried to protect itself
from the 1997-1998 crisis
and it is reluctant to change
because the Chinese economy
has been doing well
That is, China's leaders
don't want to mess with success"
----- point blank
krug
are u saying they are wrong ?
-----
"But pressures against
China's dollar purchases
are building
By keeping the yuan down
China is feeding
a trade surplus"
----- oh so u agree
it has
a good effect
only is not susainable
well
selective export taxes
could curb those trade problems
while still allowing the low yuan
bargain basement sale
of han labor
to build domestic
plant and infra structure -----------
" that is creating
a growing political backlash
in America and Europe"
-------- like
high oil prices
and kool jap cars ....
with finesse
it can be
sailed thru
and will .... -----------
----now he really throws a stink ball ----------
" China
which is still a poor country
is devoting a lot of resources
to the accumulation
of a basically useless pile
of dollars
instead of
to higher living standards"
------- oh so a policy
which fuels
china's
first world
trade surplus
and its domestic investment boom
is a loser strategy???
isn't
it the proven
dynamic means
to a higher growth path ?????
letting the yuan blow up will
help the han people ????
okay show me where thats proven ????----------
-------------------------------
now he
jumps to his real subject
bush bashing scary story telling
so u can stop here
but only
if you got my main early point
about nations serving
as global buyers of last resort
they pay for themselves
when there's slack in the world production system
by stimulating global production
in a world slump like 2001
they induce more output
by far
then they drain off
ala any gubs fiscal deficit spending
in a slack system will
the critique
only the credit worthy
can play the lead role
fantasy deals where a world bank loans
say 300 billion to low end nations
to boost world out put
which would work as well
okay check the national analogue
what happens
do we up domestic make work
and hand outs
no we cut ricjh guys taxes
and
up tick
military spending ------------
--------------
ps more kruggles duncery:
"The question is
what happens to us
if the Chinese finally decide
to stop acting so strangely"
------ scared kids ??????-----------
"An end to China's
dollar-buying spree
would lead to a sharp rise
in the value of the yuan
it would probably also lead
to a sharp fall
in the value of the dollar
relative to other major currencies
like the yen and the euro"
---------okay some turbulence but -----------
"This would help
U.S. manufacturers
by raising their competitors' costs"
------------- great!!!!!!!
but ----------------
" if the Chinese
stopped buying
all those U.S. bonds
interest rates would rise
This would be bad news
for housing
maybe very bad news
if the interest rate rise
burst the bubble"
---------oooooohh scary scary -----------
"In the long run
the economic effects
of an end
to China's dollar buying
would even out
America would have
more industrial workers
and fewer real estate agents
more jobs in Michigan
and fewer in Florida
leaving the overall level
of employment
pretty much unaffected"
----- breezy set up fans for .....-------
a double but -------------------
" But
as John Maynard Keynes
pointed out
in the long run we are all dead "
-------------- my lord
can we at last
move on to another keynes line
one that doesn't expose
his fruits vivid sense
that now is the only
for ever we queers got ----
"In the short run
some people would win
but others would lose
And I suspect
that the losers
would greatly outnumber
the winners"
-------- what tells u
even
in the long run
the won loss score
will reverse ??
wagery u lose today
but you'll make it up
aaaahh in the long run
an earthly heaven
is where your grand kids
will have their jobs
----------------
"And what about
the strategic effects?
Right now
America is a superpower
living on credit"
----- hhhmmmm ---------
"something I don't think
has happened
since Philip II ruled Spain"
---------- my my my
what u don't really get
about the "zyztem"
is a wonder to me
pauli wog --------------
" What will happen
to our stature
if and when China
takes away our credit card?"
------- if it were possible
that no one else came up
with a new card offer
i'd say....
1929 all over again
but hey
uncle's not there yet
cards will show in the mail aplenty ----------------
"one of these days
Chinese dollar purchases
will trail off
and we'll find ourselves
living in interesting times"
-------oh paul paul.....
would that
that were so ------------
Posted by pinky at July 24, 2005 12:59 PM
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