shit now not only is big crack klintoxx loose and shitting poison grapes but now the count of poison himself the ever so green-guy has started to beat the doomed dollar drum shit now i gotta defend the meaning of the dollar drop agin the hideous orks out there pulling their usual fiscal ball squeeze heres more.... and less ... =================================== the folowing is hair tearing craig pope rodriquez perhaps as ignorant a hedge hog as socio-economic realities can shipout to us these days well here he be from the wilds of raw meat stun - belt america -------------------------- "China's currency peg to the US dollar prevents correction of the US trade imbalace and imperils the US dollar's role as reserve currency " ----------- such will prove to be the sum and substance of stew pot paul's bog bellow here ----------- --- but first some cartoon trade and finance history tales ------ In the post World War II period, the dollar took over the reserve currency role from the British pound, -----------imperial dollar true but the title was taken from "gold" not the pound -------- because the supremacy of US manufacturing guaranteed US trade surpluses --------- no because the us gold reserves were huge and everyone else owed us money -------------- The British pound lost its role due to debts of two world wars, loss of empire, a run down industrial base, and socialist attack on UK business. --------- that last bit about socialist attacks is piling on after the whistle craig by the way the whistle blew in 1931------------ ---------- ten yards loss of down----------- The reserve currency conveys unique advantages on the favored country. --------------amen brother only problem here is the false impression given of univers size actually its always been one off after one off example 1880 gold standard 1930 shambles 1950 dollar pegged to gold 1980 dollar foot loose and rabid i.e. the bretton woods regime was not really like the regime of the classic late victorian gold standard system of course not gold is gold baby ! and to sneek the pound in as the currency pin up girl of 1890 or 1925 like say uncle dollar was in 1956 is catcall worthy non sense the pound was the power cuurency and indeed was held as a goodly part of some nations reserves but its role was always in the shadow of its gold value "a slave to gold " of course efforts to keep "its place" really never survived the first great war ------------ As the reserve currency, the US dollar is guaranteed a high level of demand. -here is where some quanitative stuff needs introjection for example official world wide reserves and dollar share plus the ratio of these to international trade and financial activity---------------- Foreign central banks hold their reserves in dollars -------- indeed --------------- and countries are billed in dollars for their oil imports, ---------and much elseis dollar payable too but this has no real signifigance by itself unless the saudi clique for instance for political reasons say pins the dollar price of oil by upping its pumping rate when the dollar declines against the other world currencies ----------- which requires other countries to buy dollars with their currencies. ---as i said this is not meaningful it is neutral if oil moves up in price as quick as the dollar falls or goes down as quick as the dollar rises aginst the other big currencies---------- As a reserve currency fulfills world needs in addition to the functions of a domestic currency the favored country can hemorrhage debt for a protracted period on a scale that would promptly wreck any other country's currency -- despite some over staged word choice i'll let this pass --------- This advantage is a two-edged sword, because it permits the reserve country to behave irresponsibly by running large trade and budget deficits . When the tide turns against the reserve currency, its exchange value collapses. ----------what case are you citing here bozo? there has never been such an occurance even accepting the fallacy of cross regime comparisons the inter zone say between 1930 and 1946 say trade shrivel for a complex of interelated causes------------ The reason for the collapse is the huge stock of reserve currency held by foreigners. ----non sense in fact the huge holdings is the buffer of buffers --------- When other countries conclude that their hoards of dollars represent claims that the US cannot meet dollar dumping begins ---hey this ain't some country bank nit wit ---------- Financing for US debt dries up interest rates rise; ------------only maybe ------------- imported goods become unaffordable --------------- only likely and probably less then the dollar drops -------------- and living standards fall -- living standards aaahh before we produce we consume in the beginning was the breakfast not the chores ------------- ------------ be afraid yee shaggy brained buffalo heads be afraid !!!!!!!! i love the plunging standard of living scare this amounts to agitation for a poison Rx " stampede to fiscal balancefolks" and by doing so cut some fof youzz starndard of living real far as theey tumble into joblessness and their gathering mass retards every othere nits wage rate perhaps well below inflation up the RAU ? yup "UP THE RAU " rubinomics 101 imagine gang to save our standard of living it may be necessary to destroy it for millions of our fellow geepers --------------- Flight from the dollar is already underway ---- and gosh its already well into the back stretch maybe nearly completed my guess the euro has 15% more to climb------------- During the past two years, the US dollar has declined 52% against the new European currency, the Euro. --------- good ---------------- This decline is striking in view of the sluggish European economy and the fact that many analysts regard the Euro as merely a political currency. ------------ sorry this means nothing as far as i can figure if we're to be off i prefer wrong way alex co -burn with his entertaining phrase turn "the euro as the blue helmet currency "---------- --------actually the euro today as always is the torture rack type plaything of a pack of super hard" make it hurt" freaked out kraut psychos that make rubin look like a deetroit pimp ----------------- Indeed, the dollar is declining against all currencies that have any international standing: the British pound, the Canadian dollar, the Australian dollar ---english speaking money? ----------- and even against the Japanese yen despite Tokyo's intervention to support the dollar. ------------- the yen has taken a measured advance from a lower yen value for a trillion good reasons not least of which is the grotesque fact that they're still recovering from the last big rise in yen value and that ended 15 years ago!------------ Overcome by hubris and superpower delusion US policymakers are unaware of America's peril. -- go for it craig ballfree go for it I just love to here it even if you got the wrong one of uncle's hosses and you're chartin' out the wrong race ----------- Economists and pundits are equally in the dark. --------- by the by this robotz guy hates the hackademic econ-con proffs ------------ Economists believe that decline in the dollar's exchange value will correct the US trade deficit by reducing imports and increasing exports. Once upon a time a case could be argued for this logic. But that was a time before US corporations took to outsourcing jobs and locating production for US markets offshore. --------- perfect non "at the margin "thinking here he's got it all wrong of course it will improve our trade balance it may even reduce capital exports too either or both improve our payments balance ----------- US imports of goods and services rise each time a US factory moves offshore or a US job is outsourced. -----actually no cause it reduces our income to spend on imports ----------- Goods and services produced offshore by US corporations for US customers count as imports and worsen the trade deficit. --------- who needed to be told that---------- The US cannot reduce its trade deficit by increasing sales to China of goods made by US firms in China. ---------- if this seems useful to mention then ...----- "Outsourcing is export substitution." ------------- yes indeed but walmart's sovereign coonsumers out source by their choices too ---------------------- It is amazing that US policymakers and economists do not understand that dollar devaluation is meaningless as long as China keeps its currency pegged to the dollar. --how silly this is you will see paully wosss--it knows we import most of our shit from else where ---------- America's greatest trade imbalance is with China. In 2000 the US merchandise trade deficit with China became larger than the chronic US trade deficit with Japan . By 2003 the US trade deficit with China was almost twice as large as the US deficit with Japan: $124 billion versus $66 billion. This year the US trade deficit with China is expected to be $160, a 29% increase from last year. This imbalance cannot be corrected as long as China maintains the peg. --------right ...----------- As the dollar falls against the Euro and other currencies, the Chinese currency falls with it, ---right --------- thus maintaining China's advantage over US goods in world markets ---what ? it maintains chinas advantage over all appreciating currency economies this is super han bashing no more no less he might mention the japs and euors are the ones this peg really clobbers ------------------ Both the Clinton and Bush administrations are guilty of permitting China to maintain a grossly undervalued currency that sucks productive capacity out of the US. The combination of cheap Chinese labor and an undervalued currency are destroying US middle class living standards. --- bash areenio -------------- As America's industrial base erodes, so does its competitiveness and ability to close its trade deficit through exports. Currency markets cannot correct the undervalued Chinese currency because China does not permit its currency to be traded ----non sense trade all you want just don't expect it to move against the dollar ------------- and there are insufficient stocks of Chinese currency in foreign hands with which to form a currency market ------- no no no no no there is no interest in specing the yuwn when its still basically a dollar play if the chink CB decides to permit a yuan move on uncledollar just u watch the run to yuans ------------- Sooner or later the peg will come to an end- ----- and then what will you say dimbit ----------- -perhaps when China fulfills its WTO obligation to let its currency float When the peg ends it will deliver a severe shock to US living standards Suddenly, Chinese manufactured goods- -including advanced technology products- -on which the US is now dependent will cost much more. Overnight, shopping at Wal-Mart will be like shopping in high-end department stores. --when the yen rose in the late 80's there was no big inflation in americanretail market jap produced prices cause the japs dump priced everything ie let the domestic market take up the slack by raising domestic mark ups like we do on drugs --------- Recently, Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company declared its intention to close all US plants and to manufacture offshore for US markets. Each time the US loses an industry, America's export potential declines ----------- only maybe -------------- This scenario guarantees a rising trade deficit and the end of the dollar's reserve currency role. -------wwhooops what i miss the end of our reserve currency role why ass hole why real problem the man won't attack the core of a high dollar policy capital export coupled with us owned foreign built commodity imports i e us corporations capture the super profit see this and its simple but one doesn't look to china" to shoot blame " --------------------- --RANKFURT, Nov. 19 - Alan Greenspan came to the home of the euro on Friday and suggested that the relentless decline of the dollar might well continue, offering little relief to those here who worry that the United States is seeking to gain a competitive advantage for its industries from a weaker currency. ballooning foreign borrowing on the part of the United States poses a future risk to the dollar's value. foreign investors, who help finance the large American trade and budget deficits by buying Treasury securities and other dollar-denominated assets, would eventually resist lending more money to the United States, causing the dollar to fall further. Treasury secretary, John W. Snow, rule out intervening in currency markets to help Europe and Japan - both heavily dependent on exports to sustain economic growth - stem the decline of the dollar. Mr. Snow, speaking in London, prodded European leaders to tackle their home-grown economic problems. ------------------------------- now for the green man hizz seff acccording to the grey lady today couching it all in his usual cocktail of 3 parts butlers euphemisms and 2 parts snake oil fine print greeny told the worlds top bankers essntially: " Washington, is prepared to tolerate a weaker dollar for the foreseeable future." heres a nice green finger : 'Given the uncertainties surrounding the global economy, Mr. Greenspan likened predicting the dollar's path to "forecasting the outcome of a coin toss." ' ' To analysts, the speech had a laissez-faire tone, leaving events in the hands of the market and giving speculators free rein to bet against the American currency without worrying that officials would get together to slap them down.' ' Europe, is increasingly worried that the rise of the euro is choking off its tenuous recovery. In France and Germany, growth in the third quarter dropped to 0.1 percent, as exports dried up.' --- the fire is lit ------------ European leaders are already raising distress flags . Germany's minister for economics, Wolfgang Clement, urged Asia, Europe and the United States to take coordinated action to stop the slide. ---------- the cb cartel as seventh cavalry problem consensus is required here and greeny has spoken the dollar will slide on ------ The president of the European Central Bank, Jean-Claude Trichet - who is Mr. Greenspan's counterpart here - has called the shifts in exchange rates "brutal." ---- a frog croaking in german -------------- . . The current account deficit, which encompasses annual trade as well as the balance of financial flows, has gone from zero in 1990 to nearly $600 billion this year. ------------- the litanypart 1 ---------------------- The nation's accumulated debt to foreign investors is $2.6 trillion, equivalent to 23 percent of the annual output of the economy. ------------------- litany part 2 ------------------- . "Current account imbalances, per se, need not be a problem," green finger said and added 'in a characteristically technical speech ' " cumulative deficits, which result in a marked decline of a country's net international position - as is occurring in the United States - raise more complicated issues." ------------ he might as well do elaborate tricks with his fingers here its so non communicative ------------ ----sphynix without a scret ---------------------- ' "It seems persuasive that given the size of the U.S. current account deficit, a diminished appetite for adding to dollar balances must occur at some point," Mr. Greenspan said. "But when, through what channels, and from what level of the dollar? Regrettably, no answer to those questions is convincing." --------- some day maybe sooner maybe later ------------ echo's of last february's " foreign investors, both private and official, may become less willing to absorb ever growing claims on U.S. residents." ------------- like an off stage hee hee hee "------------- ' Mr. Greenspan said on Friday that his preferred remedy would be for the Bush administration to bring down the current account deficit by taking steps to shrink the federal budget deficit. ----------- here we go Rx dr green finger squeeze out as much social spending as possible ---------------- That would make more domestic savings available in the United States, reducing the dependence on foreign borrowing. ----non sense the way to write this up is to say by squeezing social spending uncle can indirectly cut consumer and producer import purchases ----------------- green fingers muffled fuck u ' will be cold comfort to many Europeans, who say that their currency is absorbing the bulk of the pressure from the declining dollar' ---------and they are thats the point ------------- ' since Japan and other Asian countries have intervened aggressively in the market to prevent their currencies from rising significantly against the dollar.' Mr. Greenspan took issue with that suggestion, saying that based on his review of recent statistics, Asia's "very large" central bank interventions had had only a "moderate" effect on exchange rates. .--- gotta love that cat purr over the few feather's that remain ---------- as to greeny's implied "so what ya gonna do about euro trash ?" "They are basically seeing that there is very little they can do about it, They are not in a position to change interest rate policy to address it." =====================================================Posted by pinky at November 21, 2004 05:34 AM
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