this is the temp site for alias paine and abel so important bulletins get POSTED up in a timely fashion HERE'S A "DO DO" SCARE-PUZZLE -MUZZLE PIECE FROM THE "RESPECTED" NYT " WASHINGTON, Nov. 15 - It sounds eerily like the worst economic nightmare for President Bush's second term. Bogged down in a costly war that shows no sign of ending, the United States faces a gaping budget deficit and ballooning foreign indebtedness. The dollar plunges against other major currencies, while turmoil in the Middle East sends oil prices soaring. The rest of the decade is plagued by rising inflation, increased joblessness and sky-high interest rates. But the president under fire was Richard M. Nixon - not George W. Bush. The war was in Vietnam, not Iraq. And the dollar crash was in 1973 rather than 2005. Could it happen again? ----- NO BECAUSE THE PARALLEL SUCKS -------- With the dollar down more than 40 percent against the euro since 2002, and hitting new lows since Mr. Bush's re-election, economists are debating whether America's foreign indebtedness could lead to a collapse in the dollar and a global financial crisis. ------- LOVE THE SCARE PREMISE ------------ The United States is spending nearly $600 billion more a year than it produces almost 6 percent of its annual gross domestic product. Much of that spending has been financed by Asian governments, which bought more than $1 trillion in Treasury securities and other dollar assets in the last two years to help keep the dollar strong against Asian currencies. Many analysts expect the financing gap to widen and the dollar to decline further. But there are at least three schools of thought on whether a dollar collapse is likely and, if it happens, what it would mean. One group, which includes the Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan, contends that global financial markets are awash in so much money that the United States can borrow much more than seemed possible 20 years ago The dollar may well decline (FURTHER) in value, according to this view but the decline would be gradual and would help reduce American trade imbalances by making exports cheaper and imports more expensive --- ie plaza accords II THIS IS THE GREEN MAN KOOLIN THE WATERS OF MAIN STREET BOOBOVIA FOR BUSH INC ----------------- The Bush administration goes one step further, arguing that America's huge foreign debt simply reflects the eagerness of others to invest here. ------ NON SENSE IF SO THE STOCK MARKET WOULD REFLECT IT --------- "Productivity has been remarkably high in the last few years," John Taylor deputy secretary of the Treasury said at a recent conference ------ TRUE AND BEST PROFITS HAVE GRABBED ALMOST THE WHOLE OF IT BUT LATE 90'S STOCK PRICE RUN UPS LEFT PRICES SO POST BURST BUBBLE BRIGHT HIGH EARNINGS HAVE ONLY ALLOWED A BENIGN STAGNATION IN ASSET VALUES WHERE WORSE YIELDS MIGHT HAVE MEANT CHRONIC SLUMPING ------- "Foreigners want to invest in the United States. That's what that gap illustrates" ------- THIS IS A GARBLE BY AN IDIOT OF PROPAGANDA BY A SHARP GUY THE FACT IZ THE CENTRAL BANKS ARE DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING HERE----------- A second school of thought holds that foreign governments like China and Japan will continue to finance American borrowing and keep the dollar strong because they are determined to sustain their exports and create jobs. --- VOILA HEAVY LIFTING US PRODUCTIVITY IE PROFIT RATE SPIKES BUT ASSET PRICE FLATNESS ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE BANKS USING CITZEN TAX PAYERS CREDIT TO BUY UP DOLLARS AND TURN EM INTO US TREASURY BONDS AND NOTES ------- But a third school, which includes officials at the International Monetary Fund, worries about a collapse in the dollar that would send shock waves through the global economy. ----------- COLLAPSE -------------- That group argues that the dollar needs to depreciate another 20 percent ------- ALL AGREE HERE ------------- against the other major currencies but warns about a run on the dollar that could reduce its value by 40 percent ----I.E . A DOUBLING OF THE DOLLARS 40% DECLINE PATH JUST COVERED IN THE LAST 130 WEEKS OF TRADING ONLY THIS TIME COVERING THE SAME DISTANCE IN SAY 2 WEEKS OF TRADING YAOOOOOWEEEE --------------------- A collapse of that size would severely affect Europe and Asia, which have relied heavily on exports to the United States for their growth. ----- FALL FAST AND FAR ENOUGH AND " HOUSTON WE GOT A PROBLEM "-------- A steep drop in the dollar could lead to higher interest rates for the federal government and American private borrowers ----- READ HERE MORTGAGE RATES ----------------- as foreign investors demanded higher returns to compensate for higher risk. ------ NONSENSE THE EURO-NIP-CHINK CENTRAL BANKERS WOULD HAVE TO WANT THIS TO HAPPEN---------- And it could expose hidden weaknesses among financial institutions and hedge funds caught unprepared. ------ALL TOO TRUE UNDER THIS SEA OF DOLLARS LIES A WONDERLAND OF BURRIED SKELETONS ----------------- "There is a school of thought that the U.S. can keep borrowing forever," said Kenneth S. Rogoff, professor of economics at Harvard University and a former chief economist at the I.M.F. ---- THIS ASS IS RIGHT UP THERE WITH GREENY A SUPER ASS WIPER UNDER EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT TO WALL STREET QUEENS --------- "But if you add up all the excess saving being thrown out by the surplus countries, from China to Germany, the United States is soaking up three-quarters of it right now." ------- SHIT THERE'S ANOTHER 200 BILLION OUT THERE GRAB IT UNC GRAB IT GLOBAL EXCESS SAVING ARE JUST THE HOB GOBLIN REFLECTION-PROJECTION OF UNDER-UTILIZED PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY WHEN UNCLE BORROWS IT TO COVER HIS PURCHASES HE'S JUST KEYNES-ING A GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT NEEDS KEYNES-ING SO IN FACT BY ALL EVIDENCE OF SLACK NEARLY EVERYWHERE BUT CHINA AND PROLLY THERE TOO 600 BILLS AINT NEAR ENOUGH TAKE IT ALL UNCLE TAKE 800 NO TAKE A TRILLION THATS WHAT ITS FOR PASS ON IT AND THAT UNUSED CAPACITY IS WASTED LIKE ALL TIME PRODUCTION OPPORTUNITY TIME LOST IS GONE CAN'T MAKE IT UP NEXT YEAR SO WHY NOT TRY STARTING THE FINANCING OF LITTLE GEORGE'S INDIVIDUAL RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS --------- For Mr. Rogoff and several other economists, the question is not whether the dollar declines - but how fast and how far the fall turns out to be. -----YOU WROTE THIS ALREADY POMPOUS NONSENSE REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT ------------ The United States current account deficit, which encompasses annual trade as well as the balance of financial flows, has gone from zero in 1990 to nearly $600 billion this year. The United States' accumulated debt to foreign investors is $2.6 trillion, or 23 percent of the annual output of the economy. --- CRITICAL LEAVE OUT WHAT PART IS HELD BY FOREIGN CENTRAL BANKS------- But where foreign investors in the 1990's poured trillions of dollars into American stocks and corporate acquisitions, investment from abroad -----SEE YOU KNOW THE BULL ABOUT INVESTING BECAUSE OF PRODUCTIVITY OF OUR ECONOMY WAS BULL SO WHY DID YOU QUOTE THAT SHARP LIAR TAYLOR--------- now comes mostly from foreign central banks and goes heavily to buying Treasury securities that finance the federal deficit. --- HERE YOU NEED TO SAY WHAT THE LIMITS OF CB BORROWING ARE WHICH YOU DON'T KNOW TO ASK EVEN ---------- Catherine Mann, a senior economist at the Institute for International Economics in Washington, said today's financing gap could be expected to widen. Part of the problem lies with Europe and Japan, which grow more slowly than the United States and import less than they export. ------ IF WE GROW FASTER THERE'S A TENDENCY TO IMPORT DEFICITS OF COURSE A PURE MARKET IN CURRENCIES COULD AUTOMATICALLY ADJUST EXCHANGE RATIOS AND CUT THIS DEFICIT OUT QUICK BUT WITH THE OFFICIAL CB-CARTEL'S SYSTEM OF MANAGED RATES ....---------- "You have a dynamic that links government deficits to current accounts deficits more than has been the case before," Ms. Mann said. -------- WHAT THIS MEANS IS THE CB CARTEL IS LETTING OUR TRADE DEFICIT DECLINE ---------- WHERE Mr. Rogoff predicts that the dollar will slide sharply over the next two years, Ms. Mann predicts that Asian countries will continue to subsidize American imbalances to keep their economies growing. A decline in the dollar may be likely, but not a panicky flight by foreign investors. -------- ROGOFF AND MANN PERFECT OFF SETS LETS MUTT AND JEFF THE PUBLIC INTO AN ANXIOUS PARALYSIS ------------ The American dollar has been through several ups and downs in recent decades. In 1973, it fell sharply against Japanese and European currencies --- SETTING OFF A WILD BOUT OF INFLATION------- - the major industrialized countries had already abandoned the system of fixed exchange rates adopted at Bretton Woods after World War II. - WE WERE EXITING ONE REGIME AND AS WE ENETERED THE NEW REGIME TURBULENCE INSUED -------- The dollar rebounded strongly in the early and mid-1980's in response to higher American interest rates, ----- YES AKA THE VOLKER TURKEY ROPE AKA THE REGAN REVOLUTION PART ONE ------------ but then plunged 40 percent after leaders from the United States, Japan and Europe reached the so-called Plaza Accord in 1986 to nudge the dollar back down. ------- HERES WHAT'S NOT SO OVERT TODAY --------- The plunge after the Plaza Accord caused few disruptions for Americans, and foreign investors did not demand higher interest rates on securities. ------ JAPAN WAS CROAKED BY THE BLOW BACK OF A YEN THAT WENT THRU THE ROOF CAUSING ASSET PRICES ON THE HOME ISLANDS TO GO AMOK THE NIPS IZ STILL NOT BACK IN ONE PIECE------------- "One theory is that investors were simply irrational," said J. Bradford DeLong, a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley. --- IE THEY SHOULD HAVE WHICH SHOWS THIS SMUG ASS HASN'T A FUCKING CLUE ---------- "Others said it was the result of what Charles DeGaulle called the 'exorbitant privilege' of being able to repay your debts in your own currency." ---- NO I GUESS HE DOESHAVE A CLUE BUT PREFERS TO BE SPHYNX LIKEAND LEAVE DECOYS TOO IMPERIAL CURRENCY THEORY IS AT THE HEART OF THE MATTER IF THE DOLLAR BE SUCH AND IT SUELY IS THEN NORMAL INTEREST RATE ACTIVITY AROUND THE DOLLA'RS MOVES WILL BE SCOTCHED BY THE DEGAULLE EFFECT WHICH ITSELF IS THE BC CARTELS ACCOMADATIONS OUT OF SELF INTEREST TO THE GLOBAL EMPIRE'S LEGAL TENDER'S "FREE RIDE" -------------------- Some economists contend that the United States can postpone its day of reckoning for years. Richard N. Cooper, a professor of economics at Harvard, said the global pool of savings was about 10 times the United States' appetite for foreign capital ------- IE 5 TRILLION IN HOT READY TO FLY ANYWHERE FUNDS ---------------- and growing fast enough to easily finance $500 billion a year. ------ IE AT MORE THEN 10% PER ANNUM ----------- The wild card is that most of the money is coming not from private investors but from foreign governments, led by Japan and China. ------ NO NOT A WILD CARD AT ALL QUITE THE OPPOSITE A CARTEL PLAYNIG MORE AND MORE OF THE HANDS ---------- Rather than profits, their goal has been to stabilize exchange rates and keep their exports from becoming more expensive ------- RIGHT NOW THINK THIS THRU CHAPPY -------------- Many economists contend that the Asian central banks have created an informal version of the Bretton Woods system of fixed exchange rates that lasted from shortly after World War II until the early 1970's. - WOW NOT UNCLE BUT UNCLE'S PATSY BOYZ -------- The system collapsed after the imbalances between Europe and the United States became impossible to reconcile. ------ NO WE PULLED OUT THE GOLD PEG FIRST IN 71 AND WAITED FOR THE ZIP OFF -------- Rapid growth is putting similar pressure on China, which has kept its currency, the yuan, pegged at a fixed rate to the dollar. - IE CHINA AND JAPAN OF 04 ARE THE WESTERN EUROPE AND JAPAN OF 73 ------ The growing imbalances, in both China and the United States, is one reason Mr. Rogoff is bracing for a jolt to the dollar and the American economy similar to the one that occurred in the early 1970's. ------ STILL NO REASON WHY A JOLT OTHER THEN ITS MORE EXCITING ----------- Then, as now, the United States was running large budget and trade deficits. ----- ACTUALLY WAY SMALLER ------------- Then, as now, the United States was bogged down in a war costing billions of dollars a year. ------ TRUE ---------- And in 1974, a few months after the dollar plunged against the German mark and Japanese yen, oil prices soared. ------ OK BUT THE DOLLAR WAS UNHINGED FROM GOLD WAY FIRST ------------- "It's striking how many parallels there are between today and the early 1970's," Mr. Rogoff said. "The loss of the anchor of the dollar and fixed exchange rates contributed to the inflation we saw in the 70's. It was the worst period in growth we have had since World War II." ------- BUT ROG WE AIN'T IN A GOLD REGIME AFTER MATH HERE ITS BEEN THE SAME SYSTEM FOR 30 PLUS YEAR THE TIME PATHS OF ADJUSTMENT AS LONG AS THE CB CARTEL HOLDS TOGETHER IS DISCRETIONAL ARE U TELLING UZ MAYBE THE CARTEL IS TOYING WITH A PLANNED STAGED DOLLAR CRASH ?-------------------- ===============================================Posted by pinky at November 18, 2004 02:01 AM
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