big pharma faces a few open chasms university research uncle sams now california labs at various npo/ngo shops may try a crowd out move watch the forces contend =================================== recent news report : " some economists say that there is no inexorable economic reason for drug prices to be as high as they are. "Patents are only one way to get medical innovation, they are not a fact of nature," said Michael R. Kremer, an economics professor at Harvard. "It is worth looking for alternatives." Strong patent protection and the prices it props up have allowed substantial corporate spending on innovation American drug companies invested $33 billion in it last year But this arrangement has a measurable economic cost keeping drugs from consumers who would buy them if they were priced like other competitive commodities marginally above production costs ---- well yes and no if the system of provision is socialized among tax and premium payers not specifically drug users this brakes down------------- That is not the only inefficiency that patents breed. In the insured health market, where neither patients nor their doctors actually pay for drugs, drug companies are subject to all manner of perverse incentives. ----------- heres my point missed in an attempt to scurry into a further area---- For instance, they can reap more from investing in marginal improvements over existing therapies - and buying ads to persuade patients to pay big markups for them - than from investing in riskier, ground-breaking drugs. ---- actually this point works best where users can effectively lobby the institutions doing the paying to pay for the higher priced brands strife without real social reward here---------- The Food and Drug Administration has classified only about 20 percent of the drugs developed over the last 10 years as qualitative breakthroughs ----------- now thats a hard fact worth gold ------------- Even though they spend more on research, pharmaceutical companies are finding fewer new drugs. In a report this year, the F.D.A. said that the way drugs are developed "is becoming increasingly challenging, inefficient and costly." ----what ? the system is what ?--------- One alternative is to have the government pay directly for research, which some economists say could maintain innovation While reducing drug prices. ---- enter the npo crowd and their bureaucrat textpert co-habitators lets take commerce out and briing to full dollar strenght the elite peer reviewers hustle lets double their take ------------- The government already spends almost $30 billion a year on basic drug research at National Institutes of Health laboratories and at universities, much of which results In new drugs. ------------ very precise eeehhh--------------- It would be relatively straightforward to extend this to cover the research now done in drug company labs, economists say. ----------- ie like arms development is done ------------- There are other alternatives. For example, the government could compensate drug companies for their inventions As an incentive for them to keep innovating. How to determine how much an innovation is worth? One possibility would be for the government to selectively buy patents at a premium over the price a private bidder was willing to offer, and then put them Into the public domain, ---------- ie peer types would finger uncle's buy ups for only real brake thru-ers and by making the right to replicate free clobberany and all "me tooers "down to generic prices -------------- a different approach: the government would set up a fund to compensate drug companies based on how much their new drugs improve the quality of life and how often they were used. ------- more mandarin hugger mugger plus kind of a head bounty imagine if one could promote inder this regime ...----- economists say In addition to making drugs available at lower prices these " social market" alternatives would make it much less profitable for pharmaceutical companies to spend millions of dollars to develop drugs, Like Nexium and Clarinex, that are protected by patents but offer little improvement over similar drugs already on the market. ------------amen amen amen------------------- The goal is not to spend less to develop new drugs, but to get more therapeutic bang for the buck - by channeling investment to where it matters most - as well as to increase access to the resulting drugs. --------------------------------------------------------- Through programs like Medicare and agencies like the Veterans Administration, spending on prescription drugs is growing more than 10 percent a year and will hit $46 billion in 2004, almost one-fourth of the nation's total spending on these drugs, The implementation of Medicare's expanded drug coverage plan in 06 will add more than $50 billion a year to the bill, on average, over the next decade. ------------- ie beyond just democracy uncle has the "market " whip hand here too -------- Patricia M. Danzon, a professor at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania whose work is often cited by drug makers, said "small adjustments in the patent system would be a more appropriate way to address" the investment in "me too" drugs. ------------ hey this makes it clear obviously if big pharma don't want it value empty profitz would get potentially squeezed out here ------------ she says changing the rules of the game might itself introduce inefficiency. -------------- love the scare word without any back up ------------ Another critique, by Joseph A. DiMasi of Tufts University and Henry G. Grabowsky of Duke University, compared proposals for government rewards for research to the way the old Soviet Union gave prizes to its inventors. The Soviet "record of innovation was not impressive," they said. ------------- my god the soviet menace too now we know how inefficent this could get ---------------------- Political decisions could skew government-financed research, misallocating investment. --------- lysenko research --------------------------- Governments short on cash may be tempted to underpay for private-sector invention, ---------- uncle gyp joint ------------- reducing companies' incentives to innovate. ---------- no incentive to what ? innovate sure but ther opportunity to denigrate that will soar think of it the threat of a total gubmint strangle hold on research for all lifes little pillz what a ronny good time could be had pulverizing the yokel brain on that topic -------- Auctions could be manipulated or undermined by corruption --ie like uncle selling or buying anything else to and from america's private profiteers including selling its trillions in bonds and buying its trilions in mortgages pilly mae will work as well as fanny mae ------------ while bids for patents might be low because most drugs would be sold as cheap generics ------- this is only the case if the drugs a "me too-er" bobo---------- compemnsation techniques would require controversial decisions about issues like the monetary value of an extra month of life. -------- something done everywhere every day by insurance companies on behalf of workmens comp ----------------- all this could be made voluntary, --------- the liberal cop out --------------------- for instance, letting companies keep their drugs out of a new system but providing enough rewards to entice them in. -------------- n nakedly pathetic pusilanemous attempt to level the playing field take way uncle leviathan's force bill options so what he's got the market clout besides --------- the current system is not working well. "The pharmaceutical market is probably the worst-functioning market that there is," what's the chance it will change? Last month, Representative Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio, introduced a bill in the House to essentially replace drug patents with direct government financing of research. Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, who advised Mr. Kucinich on the idea, is skeptical of the bill's prospects. "Today all of these proposals are going nowhere," he conceded. the nation's bill for prescription drugs is forecast to reach $520 billion by 2013 more than twice its current level At some point, something may crack "We're on a path that is clearly not sustainable," Mr. Baker said. ------------ at some pointof course the crisis will become acute and the current system will change or die but if you're less then rich or perfect don't expect to escape someliving household financial hell right here in river city till then-----------------Posted by pinky at November 11, 2004 04:55 AM
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