here's a beauty ....... patty cake crap like this is less then useless unfortunately i lack the energy to blister the fucker as well as it deserves oh for a tenth part of great karls seemingly boundless and utterly tireless urge for combat ============================= "the task of the party is not to invent some fashionable method of helping the workers..... we must join the workers’ movement and assist in the struggles they have already started themselves" sam webb's lenin ================================= well mates heres some of them "fashionable methodz" --------------------------------- `AFTER CAPITALISM' BY DAVID SCHWEICKART ( ein flea kracker extra-ordinaire) as reviewed By Carl Davidson (SECOND WAVE SDS BIG FOOT turned maoite turned radically progressive fatuity turned ... turner ) ----------------------------------------------------- " David Schweickart has given us an excellent breakthrough in finding the road to a new socialism for the 21st century" -------- a new socialism new road maybe but new socialism what the hell does that mean ------------------ Using both practical and ethical arguments ------------ ethical arguments ? like what? greed begatz misery ?------ his main objective is to take on the neoliberals' `TINA' argument `(T)here (I)s (N)o (A)lternative' He convincingly shows there is at least one alternative a `successor system' that he calls `Economic Democracy.'" ---------------------------------- " Schweickart's Economic Democracy alternative is a working hypothesis, and not a rigid or doctrinaire model -well thats refreshing..--- While rooted in historical materialism -------- hmmm dialectics iz omitted here why?------------ Schweickart's Marxian notions of science ---aaahhhh marxian ie marxicocal not marxist hence no dia-mat just histo-mat ---- are more in tune with the `open systems' and critical instrumentalism of modern pragmatism ------- labels here betray a silent critique ---------- He casts a wide net to draw lessons from practice ---seeking truth from facts? ----------- from the failed Soviet-led command economies ---------- notice more burger type labeling command economy buy that label and new socialism must mean "no plan worth a damn" ------------- to the ongoing surge of China's market socialism --- what now thats socialism? old or new? ------ to the new smaller and more tentative projects in Spain's Mondragon Cooperatives and Brazil's Worker's Party projects ---------- new and tentative these are praise words one guesses---- He uses all these as resources but he returns to American soil to work out his basic ideas and proposals" ---- ok so does this mean he's a first world first roade ? ------------ ------------------------------------ " `Successor-system theory Schweickart explains `is meant to be theory with practical intent' --- holy cow this is a map to the ttreasure not just another fucking tinker bell wish list---- 'If it cannot offer a plausible projection as to how we might get from here to there successor-system theory remains an intellectual exercise in model building' ----this is "too" stupid ------------ interesting in its own right perhaps and capable of providing a rejoinder to the smug apologists for capital -- drafting up "a nice place we can't get' how is that a rejoinder to those saying ok this iz a capitalistic nightmare but face it it's " the best" place we can "actually" get to ?------ but useless to people trying to change the world." ----------- indeed and whats even more true two plus two = four -------------- --------------------------------------------- " So what is `Economic Democracy'? The core idea: workers themselves democratically elect the managers of their firms ---- like rankers elect their union leaders hows this new by the way ? or is this just first world oriented agitprop ?-------------- They also share the wealth they create by sharing the profit among themselves ------------- hows thiz a big whoooooooooop ? universal profit sharing is there some quantity into quality thing i'm missing here? whats the split between base pay and profit share? whats the range of realistic risk ? who's sez the wagelings want this? -------------- They make their money the old-fashioned way: by finding consumer needs meeting those needs with decent products and selling them to satisfied customers at reasonable prices" ------------- this sanctimonious earned it shit betrays a mind that once entertained the plan road and looks back with shame ------------- ----------------------------------------- But how are things like costs, prices, new products and production goals determined? Here Schweickart departs from traditional socialist conceptions he affirms the primary role of the market rather than relying on nationally centralized planning ------------ jesus if this were 1956 ok but market guided socialized firms is older then fidel's green hat---------- What to produce is shaped mainly by consumer demand what to charge for products or services is determined by competition for market share with other worker-controlled or private enterprises --- zing "private enterprises "? what manner of craft be these mates ...------------------ pay is limited by what's left over after total costs are deducted from total sales ---- christ more commercial addition and subtraction --------- What about ownership? --watch things merk up here --------- Each Economic Democracy plant or workplace is controlled by each respective group of workers but the firm is not owned by each particular group The firms are socially owned by the public at large --- property of the whole people my god how does this work?-------------- Because of this public ownership the local workers are also required to meet the cost of paying into two funds a depreciation fund to be used locally by the firm for capital expenditures --------- wait who figures this out ? are the kids gettin to keep it in the plant they just can't cut it up take it home to momma ..?---- and a government-controlled capital investment fund This latter payment is in the form of a capital assets tax also added to the firm's costs ---why a tax why not a loan? they can pay off why make the social accumulation fund a function of some screwy "valuation" (using book or replacement or whaever ) accumulation has no needed conection to any value the existing productive system might have the credit system can provide all the fu8nds needed and loan em out why jazz this up more then that ---------- In a sense the work place is leased by the workers from the government ----- well why not lease it then? a steel plant like an oil tanker why not ---------- But what's left after all the costs are met the profit the workers divide among themselves as they see fit ----------- ok now thats got its possibilities but what if the insider majority rigs up something unfair to the rest ok they can leave but god is that kool??------- The depreciation and capital assets taxes that the government takes in is used to finance new enterprises to maintain and develop infrastructure projects and other costs spread across the whole of society ----------- no other taxes no loans no stock no red wall stret type flexible commanding heights just firms households and the state ? ----------------------- That's the bare-bones model ======================================== Naturally it has further implications and raises many more questions not the least of which is how we get from today's globalized capitalism to the `successor system' of Economic Democracy In the course of the book, Schweickart addresses a good deal of these problems but for some issues he has only hints or open possibilities Here are some of the critical implications of his theory 1. Labor is not a cost as it is under capitalism Rather labor gets its return from the local profits This means there is no pressure to keep the workers'compensation low Just the opposite ----- to wage max or profit max? there will be conflicting "roads" here---------- the pressure is for the local workers to produce good quality desired products efficiently since that is the best way to gain better profits and thus a better share for each of them --------- this is way too abstract not a hairs width beyond the co op thinking of the victorian era -------- 2. Firms are under no pressure to `expand or die' as they are under capitalism --- non sense if there are technical scale effects ------------ If the workers produce and sell to a share of the market that gives them a comfortable living all they need to do is maintain it over time ---- love that "all they need to do" shit try the real market world on for size pal------ If the firm grew its market share simply by adding more and more workers to produce more and more products to sell ---- ya but there are no proportional results in real world expansions ------------ Each worker would still receive just about the same ---- true diff here since this further expansion under private capital produces "leverage" if the number of exploiters dosn't expand as fast as the work forces hours the capitalist gets to exploit more workers but thats not what forces the system forward ....---------- Economic Democracy's tendency, then, is to maintain small and medium-sized firms supplying more local and regional markets rather than to expand into larger firms reaching a global scale --- this is pure small plants iz my green dream non-sense market comp drives technical progress scale effects abound in tech change up and down the pressure to operate at highest possible levels to spread the nut the cap system need not rely on subjective "profit greed" the nut spreader gets it done along with the chronic over capacity in any real comp market that makes markey sharing among firms a vicious struggle------------ 3. Worker-controlled firms do have an incentive for technological innovation but differently than under capitalism They will want to increase productivity per worker but not to eliminate workers except perhaps through attrition --- non sense non sense " cut out those ass holes" bitz will run thru the job site like a fold out thru a locker room----- They will, however, want to eliminate drudgery but in a way that enhances and upgrades the skills of all workers --- jesus we'll be angels in those days lets get at that revolution ------- and/or in a way that shortens the working hours per worker ---- maybe not maybe the majority will want to hog all the work time they can grab--------- But they will not want to enhance profits via automation at the expense of themselves as the current system works now ---- see what non sense this all is fulfill this poke's fairs fair wish mr Gin and watch what a mess we get in but i'd love the scrap so go for it ------------ 4. Inequality will exist in worker-controlled firms but not to the degree of the huge inequalities between CEOs and production workers under capitalism -------- really? no stars like in sports and hollywood no rain makers no instant cred guyz no turn around kings selling themselves to the highest bidder " i'll get you all diamond studded shorts " -------- To keep especially good or skilled workers and managers --------see above wally ----------- or to account for the difference between new and older workers --------- what? seniority why ?---------- the factory council will likely give some categories a greater share ----- whos to say what the majority will do ------------ Otherwise a competing firm may lure them away --------- again think this all the way thru pokes------------ But the varying compensation packages will be set by a process of one vote per worker in the enterprise --------- fuck one wager one vote thems the rules what ? by law ? wheres your worker control oh but there are universal rules the slope feels slide- able to me now ---------- This creates a different and more restricted dynamic than the current setup --- really ?------ where decisions are made by management arbitrarily ----- not profit guided you mean?---- or by stockholders with one vote per share of stock with vast differences in the amounts of shares held per voter --- point here is the disregard of wagery's welfare as people in pursuit of higher profits fine but the wagery majority might prove even more savage ----------- 5. Entrepreneurship will be encouraged under Economic Democracy but in a different way Groups of individuals with projects for new products or enterprises could apply to the government's capital investment fund and its subsidiaries rather than relying on venture capitalists ---- jesus why ?------------ If approved as risk worthy socially appropriate and capable of generating new wealth the project would be funded with a grant not a loan ---- double why? grants are a bold face patronage system we have too many of them all ready take basic science funding.... despite what the goo goos may think ... well no lets keep on topic here best principle here iz still: the state invests the peoples money expecting to get paid back plus this is the sensible basis helping to enforce social responsiblity on both sides the loan system needs expansion not replacement with feudal grants ------- The grant however would become part of the new enterprise's capital assets and hence taxed over time ---- big deal tax interest payment whats the diff ------------- assuming the project is successful The creators of a successful project could pay themselves a startup fee for launching a successful enterprise --- my god founders capital reborn ----------------- but afterwards would only be compensated if they were a worker or working manager --- thank god no perpetual free ride here except the self paid start up fee paid out over a life time say or maybe .... again whats the diff----- Straight-up capitalist entrepreneurs can apply to the capital assets fund or even raise money privately and make money from their ventures (subject to being taxed, of course) Under Schweickart's model however a capitalist firm, when sold, must be sold to the state --- hotel socialism you can check in but you can't check out ---------- 6. All information about a firm and its finances is open to all workers in the firm, unlike the many restrictions on information needed for decision-making under capitalism. This way, workers can make informed decisions via direct democracy in periodic assemblies, or through the managers they choose to hire or fire as their representatives ------- the see thru enterprise means more then this it means we all get to see the whole deal no more hidden card games like poker only open above board games like chess------- Workers can also still have their unions to settle problems with management and to work on larger social issues --- belts and suspenders seems the creatrix here fears the new and as a back up wants to keep the old ------ Schweickart offers only a brief concluding chapter about the strategy and tactics of getting to economic democracy it is quite flexible and open but he mainly discusses two possibilities: 1. A political party of popular and economic democracy could win a majority of the electorate and take a majority of seats and positions at all levels of government The new administration would decree economic democracy by passing laws and executive orders that would nationalize stock and redefine corporate charters with varying degrees of compensation ------------- pure social democracy wheres the diff are these new ideas really ?---------------- 2. Economic democracy, including its firms and political groupings could be grown over time as an expanding counter-hegemonic community within the existing order Step-by-step it would demonstrate its superiority to the old way of doing things competing over a longer period within a mixed system but as a growing force that ultimately would supplant capitalism --- now we really have the da da da a counter sector now we really are back to victorian co-ops wind power green re-villaged intentionally miniscule circle jerkery ---------------- (theres here interjected a carl davidson third way i'll paraphrase roughly at a time of old regime-state collapse perhaps triggered by a particularly violent economic spasm ---- those fucking contradictions of capitalism -------- hardened cadre of the revolutionary Economic democracy party would lead the way with the slogan ' all power to the plant level councils' abolish the parley- gubmint and thus resolve the crisis and put the country back on its feet again --- i think this may already have happened before...--- ) =============================== (klown time side bar) " Systems with elite privileged groupings Schweickart calls `polyarchies' Since that accurately describes our existing order Schweickart bluntly states `we do not live in a democracy" --- say no more bro----- ==================================== The practice of participatory democracy in the workplace which is usually punished in today's world would likely stir political participation and a multiparty system in the political realm of the broader society ---- notice the pure class free pluralism here ----------- ========================== back to more carl der yammer "Schweickart stumbles a bit on the `safety net' issues of guaranteed full employment and the guaranteed annual income 'Jobs or Income Now' as the old slogan declared One problem is that these reforms often receive substantial opposition within the working class itself ----- no they don't only grants just for the askin' got trashed ---------- `Guaranteed Jobs' is often seen as `make work' that creates nothing of value and drains public resources --- monstrous falsity wagery has no such category as make work vs real work thats a cap distinction based on whether theres a profit angle or not job rights are a fear of the caps cause they need the rau to keep wage shares down and job effort and hours up ------ `Guaranteed Income' is only supported for the physically disabled but opposed as a subsidy for slackers and freeloaders ---- oh my god what a pander to the dark side of wagery the wpa worked ass hole and wagery never objected to it even for a moment believe me work free no show jobs are not a necessary problem when "the state" hires the jobless remnants shit "the state" can make you "work ie sweat " for your wage like nobobdy else check out an alabama chain gang america's gulag -------------- ====================== so carl proffers goo goo dribble that might well back fire ... (One alternative solution to these reforms is the concept of the `social wage.' Here anyone who creates social value would be able to obtain a subsistence level of financial support say $18,000 per year. --- jesus --- the idea is that value for society can and is created in realms that reach beyond the job market --- public goods?----- Students learning in schools for instance -- lend em the money ---- create value in the form of their skills; ---sure so they pay back the loan---- caretakers of young children create value in raising the next generation of producers and creators; --- sure in a day care center not at home ----- teaching sports in the parks creates value in the form of public wellness and health, and so on Third sector nonprofits can set the base standards for what constitutes social value ---- why not goose up the npo's employment levels with matching funds and vouchers etc you know stay the fuck out of public goods production where ever possible npo-ngo's are no diff in this regard then profiteer outfits why not handle em the same way ------------- but the social wage package would be low enough and on a sliding scale to always reward regular part- time or full time employment Since full employment is not naturally built into Economic Democracy this would be an important supplement to regular employment) ---------- a rau substitute no jobless hell here like under capitalism only a socialist benign purgatory a basement to the market job tower where one gets a modest stipend for work not valued by the market =========================== how does Schweickart relate Economic Democracy to the broader problems and conflicts of globalization? Our country after all exists in a world of savage inequalities between North and South, and a reverse flow of wealth from South to North --- what ! our country "exists" in a north south world fucking hell we created this fucking world for fuck sake...---- Schweickart points out first of all that since Economic Democracy has no `expand or die' dynamic it has better conditions for a more progressive and democratic foreign policy --- if one means no ' market driven urge' to trade internationally this is non sense----- If anything, it has a bias toward promoting Economic Democracy elsewhere ----- help me here ...--------- -------------what follows next is the usual big apple circus parade i include it only for your evenings enjoyment------------- Schweickart goes on moreover, to promote a number of measures to help reduce the North-South divide that have been around for a few years the Green Tax to price commodities at their true social and environmental impact costs Carbon Taxes to deal with pollution stock transfer taxes on the global financial transfers Even if petroleum alone were priced at its true cost it would change the price differentials between North and South due to the higher or true cost of transport `Free Trade' is often riddled with hidden subsidies ---- beyond parody ------------- -- but now here's something "new"...---------- Schweickart offers a new and controversial solution that he calls `socialist protectionism.' Here our government would put a tariff on U.S. importers to raise the price of imported goods to be competitive with goods produced here Nothing new here but what Schweickart wants to do is to remit the tariff not to the US treasury , but to the country of origin to improve conditions there hence `socialist' protectionism It's an interesting idea as it transfers some wealth from North to South But the devil is in the details Who would get the remission? The Third World governments? The local unions or NGOs? the third workers themselves? -------- obviously these guys don't think much about the exchange rate solution in a pangloss world the tariff is un-necessary cause the deficit trader sees his currency fall till the deficit is gone one hopes this is swift often and immediate now it never is deficits widen for years and the adjustments are torturously jagged under my command it would be different of course trade deficits would be liquidated like kulaks cow herds ---------------- [by the way David Schweickart is professor of philosophy at Loyola Katho-lick in Chicago and "holds" Ph.D's "in both" Philosophy and Mathematics ] ------would that this pangloss held advanced degrees in not just the hack world but the real world too -------------Posted by pinky at October 31, 2004 06:08 AM
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